NoSanninWa
2005-06-06, 18:01
Now, this is the single most frequently asked question in this forum, so please read the answer!
Q. If the people in Soul Society are dead people, then how come they can bleed and all? Is it even possible for a dead person to be killed? Also I found it weird about the aging process there, since some people are over 500 years old, and the 10th division captain is still a kid. Could someone please clarify this for me please!
A. The answer to that question is complicated and not fully explained, even in the manga. A lot of people have been discussing it anyway. If you want to discuss the topic or hear what others have had to say, please read the relevant threads. Note that some of them allow spoilers and some do not:
Soul Society ? (Anime ONLY, spoilers = BAN)
[spoilers] Do Shinigami reproduce?
[Manga] Aging in Soul Society (some spoilers)
Death in Bleach (Beware SPOILER tags or cry)
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Biswa
2005-06-06, 18:16
Thank you, NoSanninWa.
My first question is about Zangetsu. Is Zangetsu only part of Ichigo or is he part of the sword that he got from Rukia. Then does that mean Rukia also knows Zangetsu and had the ability to call him out before? Or does the soul cutter change when it changes user? *scratches head*
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-06, 18:21
Zangetsu is Ichigo's soul cutter.
Previously he was using Rukia's soul cutter, it was simply larger because he put more spirit energy into it than she did. After Byakuya broke the energy center in Ichigo that he needed to channel her power, he lost the use of her (unnamed) soul cutter.
After that he had to learn how to channel his OWN shinigami powers. Those powers are now manifested as Zangetsu, his own soul cutter.
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Biswa
2005-06-06, 18:26
That makes sense. But when ichigo first pulled out his "sword" from the shinigami-box(?), it was the same busted sword with the missing blade?
I'll go on to my second question also in the mean time. If Urahara is banned from Soul Society, how come he gets shipments and stuff and kinda works on Earth with no interference? Is it probably because he's forced to or that Soul Society doesn't hate him, just exiled for breaking the law? Or?
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-06, 18:31
The sword was busted when he took it out of the box because he still needed to rebuild that energy center in himself. The difference is that it was HIS broken soul cutter, not Rukia's broken soul cutter.
As for your second question: I could answer that, except that it would give away points from the manga. If you don't mind reading manga spoilers then read below, but it really will give something away:
Some of that stuff he gets from connections he still has within soul society, but only the simple stuff. Urahara probably makes most of it himself. It probably seems impossible to you that he would have such abilities and resources, but he really can do that. You'll learn more about Urahara
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Shay
2005-06-07, 07:03
Can Ichigo's soul slayer shape-shift?
Simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.
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_DT_
2005-06-07, 08:47
Can Ichigo's soul slayer shape-shift?
Simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.
It's always remain stuck in it's fully release form
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Animizzle
2005-06-07, 10:05
Can Ichigo's soul slayer shape-shift?
Simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.
Yes it can
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Shay
2005-06-07, 17:35
Yes it can
Thanks man that's good to hear.
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nolimit2k5
2005-06-07, 18:00
Alright, here is my question.
If Ichigo became a Soul Reaper/Death God by himself in the underground cavern below the "Soul Shop", then why is Rukia unable to revert to a Soul Reaper/Death God again? I recall Renji saying that Rukia will never become "normal" unless Ichigo is dead (during the most recent fight between Ichigo and Renji).
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_DT_
2005-06-07, 20:11
Alright, here is my question.
If Ichigo became a Soul Reaper/Death God by himself in the underground cavern below the "Soul Shop", then why is Rukia unable to revert to a Soul Reaper/Death God again? I recall Renji saying that Rukia will never become "normal" unless Ichigo is dead (during the most recent fight between Ichigo and Renji).
Don't think too much about it all will become clear in times
You click anyway,
I think the answer to that is a somewhat major plot spolier so I I won't tell even in spolier tag
. I'v been to other forums, where it's spoiler fest it realy ruin the anime experience
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somekid
2005-06-07, 20:25
When Ichigo came out of the pit when he finally became a shinigami did the mask have 3 stripes as it does in episode 34?
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_DT_
2005-06-07, 21:39
When Ichigo came out of the pit when he finally became a shinigami did the mask have 3 stripes as it does in episode 34?
Screenshot of Bleach anime Episode 19 after he came out of the pit.
Click if you want to know (
http://img103.echo.cx/my.php?image=mask195bz.png)
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jubileerain
2005-06-07, 23:21
Alright, here is my question.
If Ichigo became a Soul Reaper/Death God by himself in the underground cavern below the "Soul Shop", then why is Rukia unable to revert to a Soul Reaper/Death God again? I recall Renji saying that Rukia will never become "normal" unless Ichigo is dead (during the most recent fight between Ichigo and Renji).
One reason is that the gigai Urahara gave Rukia actually turns her human. It doesn't help restore her Shinigami powers like normal gigai.
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Shay
2005-06-09, 18:38
I'm having trouble with the names, dunno why, maybe it's because I'm watching other shows and Bleach is only once a week...
Anyway. Is Gin a captain? Is he also known as Ichimaru? Who's who? Seriously.
In fact, if someone could post the names of the captains for me I would be most great full. ^^
(+ Rep as a thank you, I guess...)
Edit: Pics to go with names would be awesome.
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Animizzle
2005-06-09, 18:48
Yar Steven my lad, I suggest you type in the search bar "captain guide" and click on the second thread displayed. All shall be clear by then.
Oh hell why don't I just link the damn thing
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...=captain+guide
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Shay
2005-06-09, 18:55
Yar Steven my lad, I suggest you type in the search bar "captain guide" and click on the second thread displayed. All shall be clear by then.
Oh hell why don't I just link the damn thing
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...=captain+guide
Shoot me!
I'm finding this (
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=34530) thread answers my Queries as well.
Edit by NoSanninWa: Consider Shay SHOT for failing to utilize the search function.
Update: It was only a flesh wound. He'll live.
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Keitaro
2005-06-10, 03:13
Just how powerful is Rukia. Shouldn't she be as powerful as Renji or greater? After watching eps 33 - 35, Renji and the 2 friends he went to school together are now Vice Captains in different squads. To make it simple is she just weak or is she really powerful? In Renji's flashback episode of the past, Rukia showed the most potential of spirit power. I find it hard to imagine that Rukia is actually weaker then Renji.
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owatariryo
2005-06-10, 03:45
i don't think rukai was ever a VC in the past...
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Zoe
2005-06-10, 09:22
Just how powerful is Rukia. Shouldn't she be as powerful as Renji or greater? After watching eps 33 - 35, Renji and the 2 friends he went to school together are now Vice Captains in different squads. To make it simple is she just weak or is she really powerful? In Renji's flashback episode of the past, Rukia showed the most potential of spirit power. I find it hard to imagine that Rukia is actually weaker then Renji.
It's possible her raw talent was greater than Renji's when they were kids, but he was able to develop his better. It's not that unnatural.
They were all in the advanced class together. Rukia wasn't in the class
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Biswa
2005-06-10, 11:07
Question about Urahara Kisuke, the shopkeeper. First we see that Ichigo that he doesn't really have Shinigami abilities or good strength when he's in his normal body, right? That means you have to be a spirit to use the Zanpaktou. But how come Urahara is able to use his Zanpaktou, even though we never really see him get into a spirit form? How come he's still so powerful in a normal body? Or is he always in the spirit form? I think i missed something...
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LightningZERO
2005-06-10, 11:49
manga spoiler question
What happens to Ishida? Did he lost all his power when he removed the glove?
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owatariryo
2005-06-10, 11:53
manga spoiler question
What happens to Ishida? Did he lost all his power when he removed the glove
up till now, yes. but it may seemed that he's lost too much power in the fight against mayuri to recover 100% in this lifetime so...
in the future, maybe a miracle will happen?
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KanaKaishou
2005-06-10, 17:09
Why is there nobody in the stronger than Vice-Captain/Lieutenant, weaker than Captain range? Surely, the strongest Vice-Captain ought to be able to beat/Give a serious threat to the weakest Captain. It would make more sense if there were 20-30 Vice-Captains, and 10 Captains.
Alternatively, is it that only 13 (the Captains) have "kicked it up a notch" and the 13 Vice-Captains are just the best of the previous level. This doesn't make sense though--Renji seems like he could beat all of the 3-5 rankers we've seen without a second thought.
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Bronwen Stx
2005-06-10, 21:41
Why is there nobody in the stronger than Vice-Captain/Lieutenant, weaker than Captain range? Surely, the strongest Vice-Captain ought to be able to beat/Give a serious threat to the weakest Captain. It would make more sense if there were 20-30 Vice-Captains, and 10 Captains.
Alternatively, is it that only 13 (the Captains) have "kicked it up a notch" and the 13 Vice-Captains are just the best of the previous level. This doesn't make sense though--Renji seems like he could beat all of the 3-5 rankers we've seen without a second thought.
It certainly would make sense if there were more vice-captains but as it is - assuming that you're an anime-watcher only - the captains are fully capable of taking care of themselves that, really, it doesn't seem necessary to have more VC. It's all in Kubo Tite's hands to see if he's going to create a VC in the range you're talking about.
And trust me in that just because some Captains looks lame or weak from a perspective it doesn't mean they can't kick a strong VC's ass. Don't judge until you've fully seen their capabilities, IMO. They're strong Captains, I'll leave it as that.
Of course, I might've interpreted your questions wrong but maybe that's cause I haven't slept in awhile so I hope this is the answer that you were looking for. ^^
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Sokar
2005-06-11, 01:03
Why is there nobody in the stronger than Vice-Captain/Lieutenant, weaker than Captain range? Surely, the strongest Vice-Captain ought to be able to beat/Give a serious threat to the weakest Captain. It would make more sense if there were 20-30 Vice-Captains, and 10 Captains.
Alternatively, is it that only 13 (the Captains) have "kicked it up a notch" and the 13 Vice-Captains are just the best of the previous level. This doesn't make sense though--Renji seems like he could beat all of the 3-5 rankers we've seen without a second thought.
Maybe there's something fundamentally different between vice captains and captains. Like in Hunter x Hunter, where Nen was the big different between Hunters and non-Hunters. It seems like the big difference here is "will power" or something like that. Ichigo got the will power and he beat Renji instantaneously. The difference was simply huge, so if the captains have mastered this willpower thing then they'll be more powerful than Ichigo, and that would mean they'll complete destroy all vice-captains.
So basically you got this "will power" you're a captain, you don't, you're vice-captain.
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-11, 01:59
Concerning the power levels between VC and Captain. Captains do have something that VCs don't have. I won't say what it is, because that would be a spoiler. It's something a lot more definable than "willpower."
I'd say that the difference between VCs and the rank-and-file shinigami is a combination of willpower, talent and skill. VCs are just super strong shinigami.
Question about Urahara Kisuke, the shopkeeper. First we see that Ichigo that he doesn't really have Shinigami abilities or good strength when he's in his normal body, right? That means you have to be a spirit to use the Zanpaktou. But how come Urahara is able to use his Zanpaktou, even though we never really see him get into a spirit form? How come he's still so powerful in a normal body? Or is he always in the spirit form? I think i missed something...
Because he's always in his spirit body. He's a normal Shinigami like Rukia was before she lost her powers.
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Biswa
2005-06-11, 16:12
Because he's always in his spirit body. He's a normal Shinigami like Rukia was before she lost her powers.
Ooo, so normal people can't see Urahara?
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Bronwen Stx
2005-06-12, 00:25
Ooo, so normal people can't see Urahara?
Normal people can see Urahara. He's probably wearing a gigai like Rukia but to the extent that he can use his Shinigami powers or that his gigai is modify to fit his needs.
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dajoro
2005-06-12, 10:44
What manga chapters go in volumes 14 - 17?
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Animizzle
2005-06-12, 11:06
What manga chapters go in volumes 14 - 17?
116-151 but the official volume index hasn't been announced. So bear that in mind
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Biswa
2005-06-12, 12:47
Which chapter has the image of a bunch of characters in black suits lounging around? A lot were sitting down and Hinamori and Hitsugaya were in the back...
I think it's either a chapter cover or an omake... dont know which chapter it was though.
If you can't find out which chapter, could someone possibly give me that image
.
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Omniscient
2005-06-12, 14:26
You mean this one?
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/4997/manga0217xo0vh.th.jpg (
http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=manga0217xo0vh.jpg)
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Biswa
2005-06-12, 21:49
You mean this one?
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/4997/manga0217xo0vh.th.jpg (
http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=manga0217xo0vh.jpg)
Awesome, thanks!
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hi no ken Jebus
2005-06-12, 22:32
Awesome, thanks!
That one is from a calendar there's a few more that are pretty cool. I think it might have been an omake or something somewhere else.
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Ebichuman
2005-06-16, 01:34
I have a couple questions regarding old man Yama...
1. Is he the one and only leader of Soul Society? Seems like he is, I'm just not 100% on that.
2. If so, does he have any way of keeping the other captains in check?
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Bronwen Stx
2005-06-16, 01:51
I have a couple questions regarding old man Yama...
1. Is he the one and only leader of Soul Society? Seems like he is, I'm just not 100% on that.
2. If so, does he have any way of keeping the other captains in check?
You know, that's a good question. From what I've gathered;
1. No, I don't think he is. After all the 46? Council Members are the one that seems to decide things. But he is the leader of the 13 Divisions I think.
I have no clue about number 2 though.
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Jingjong
2005-06-16, 02:31
Does anyone have the kanji versions of the sword names? You can just limit it to the ones we've seen so far in the anime if you'd like.
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Animizzle
2005-06-16, 03:35
I have a couple questions regarding old man Yama...
1. Is he the one and only leader of Soul Society? Seems like he is, I'm just not 100% on that.
2. If so, does he have any way of keeping the other captains in check?
I think you have to think of OM Yama like a General with some political influence. He's the leader of the military system in Soul Society but doesn't rule it in a sense like the center 46 does, they are similar to a senate
As for the second question. I believe Soul Society works with written and unwritten rules. It is assumed that all captain's follow rules and make their subordinates follow them, quite like the military. He's the leader, and puts trust in his captain's, whether that's grounded or not.
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hooliganj
2005-06-16, 11:52
You mean this one?
http://img185.echo.cx/img185/4997/manga0217xo0vh.th.jpg (
http://img185.echo.cx/my.php?image=manga0217xo0vh.jpg)
That was originally the cover for the 100 issue character poll omake. Those were the top 10 choices; you can see the order they came in and the number of votes they each got in the tiny print at the bottom.
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Ebichuman
2005-06-16, 12:14
center 46 does, they are similar to a senate
Is that from the manga then? I don't recall hearing anything about it in the anime, although I may have missed it... or just forgotten about it.
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-16, 16:40
Is that from the manga then? I don't recall hearing anything about it in the anime, although I may have missed it... or just forgotten about it.
Yes, it is mentioned in a future episode of the manga. It is a spoiler.
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jhcl
2005-06-17, 00:20
Do they age as shinigami?
Like we see Rukia and Renji in their childhood and they were spirits at that point, yet when we meet the parakeet again his 'brother' has been there since the 1940s or something and he is still a little kid?
Also how do you get a noble family in Soul Society? I mean if souls come from the human world how is it possible that there is such a thing as a noble family in soul society? Does that mean the spirits themselves can still reproduce?
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what/why
2005-06-17, 01:02
Is that from the manga then? I don't recall hearing anything about it in the anime, although I may have missed it... or just forgotten about it.
Its not a spoiler, its just their government.
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Wolcik
2005-06-18, 15:29
Originally Posted by jhcl
Do they age as shinigami?
Like we see Rukia and Renji in their childhood and they were spirits at that point, yet when we meet the parakeet again his 'brother' has been there since the 1940s or something and he is still a little kid?
Souls in SS grow old if their spiritual pressure grow that means children like parakeet kid's bro won't grow, but as Renji, Rukia or Ganju train their power so they grow old
(Rukia looks like a teenager because she's weak
)
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-18, 18:30
Souls in SS grow old if their spiritual pressure grow that means children like parakeet kid's bro won't grow, but as Renji, Rukia or Ganju train their power so they grow old
(Rukia looks like a teenager because she's weak
)
If that's true, then how do you explain the Vice-Captain of the 11th? She looks like a tiny girl, but I find it hard to believe Kenpachi's VC could possibly be weak.
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Daniel E.
2005-06-18, 20:01
I was watching one of the old episodes yesterday (eps. 15, Lunar version) and I noticed that at 7:08, Kon says the following while refering to Orihime:
She's as kind as Kwanyin...
And so my question appears; What does Kwanyin means?
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[DOT].L
2005-06-18, 21:23
I was watching one of the old episodes yesterday (eps. 15, Lunar version) and I noticed that at 7:08, Kon says the following while refering to Orihime:
She's as kind as Kwanyin...
And so my question appears; What does Kwanyin means?
I'm guessing the Kwanyin here refers a buddist diety... the goddess of mercy?
the only problem I see with this explaination is in Japan kwanyin is known as Kannon, so why is Kon using Kwanyin instead of Kannon..?
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NoSanninWa
2005-06-19, 02:23
.L']I'm guessing the Kwanyin here refers a buddist diety... the goddess of mercy?
the only problem I see with this explaination is in Japan kwanyin is known as Kannon, so why is Kon using Kwanyin instead of Kannon..?
Because oriental cultures aren't as obsessive about only using a single set of dieties. It isn't really odd in Japan for a Shinto or a Christian to invoke a Bhuddist diety like Kwan Yin.
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Daniel E.
2005-06-19, 04:20
The goddess of mercy eh!?
I must say, I wasn't to far off myself. "as kind as an angel" was my first guess.
Thanks for clearing that up (both of you
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Jingjong
2005-06-19, 04:57
Because oriental cultures aren't as obsessive about only using a single set of dieties. It isn't really odd in Japan for a Shinto or a Christian to invoke a Bhuddist diety like Kwan Yin.
I think he was asking more why they used the Chinese pronounciation (Kwan Yin) versus the Japanese (Kannon).
Here's a link about Kannon with pictures of the forms he/she can take.
http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/kannon.shtml
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Wolcik
2005-06-19, 16:31
Originally Posted by NoSanninWa
If that's true, then how do you explain the Vice-Captain of the 11th? She looks like a tiny girl, but I find it hard to believe Kenpachi's VC could possibly be weak.
as we both know Ken-chan's VC was really small when they met, but japanese people are short and and maybe she's enought cute to still look like a child and she's supose to look like a 18-20 (which still make her look realy young)...
the other reason might be that she don't have to be THAT increadably strong to grow old in such a short time (but we don't know long they've been together) she got Ken-chan by her side so she don't have to force herself on her training after she reached the VC level (at least with speed... or maybe almost Capitan in this) and like Ken-chan
Zaraki don't train too, and the proof is that he wants to be stronger just after the fight with Ichigo so he didn't wanted it for a long time
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Zoe
2005-06-19, 19:19
If that's true, then how do you explain the Vice-Captain of the 11th? She looks like a tiny girl, but I find it hard to believe Kenpachi's VC could possibly be weak.
Well, we do know they met when she was a baby, so she HAS grown.
My guess is that souls age about a 1/10th of the rate of a living human. That's how Rukia, who claims to be 10x as old as Ichigo, can fit in as a high-schooler.
As for the people with low/no spiritual pressure, we really don't know if they don't grow. Yes, Parakeet's "brother" has been there for 60 years, but if you use the same scale as Rukia, then it is plausible that he would still be a kid.
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rorosama
2005-06-21, 16:00
Yachiru has been a vice captain for at least 10 years so i'll guess she had to have some sort of fighting skill to be his vc so i'll bet she's at least 20 since rukia has been a kuchiki for 40 years and still looks the same from when she joined the family, so i'm gonna guess kids stay kids for like 20 years?
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karai
2005-06-21, 23:00
I believe that "aging" in the Soul Society is relative to the individual, what kind of spirit they are, their spirit power, and how they ended up in the Soul Society. I don't believe it is possible for someone there to "die" of "old age", because they are spirits in the first place. Everyone probably appears in the physical form they were in when they first died, and depending on who they are/their spiritual power, either remain the same, grow a bit, or take on the appearance of someone elderly (though we've only seen a few so far) -- that is, it's not entirely involuntary. Appearance isn't really a big thing in the Soul Society as compared to corporeal earth -- my theory being that there, as well as in the physical realm of earth, appearance is just a way of saturating your self in a way that you can easily communicate with others and your environment.[/2 cents]
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hooliganj
2005-06-22, 01:20
The whole thing is easily explained through the law of narative causality... i.e. it's 'cuz the author said so.
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KanaKaishou
2005-06-25, 23:26
Okay, Anime question:
Is Kenpachi's sword already "released"?
It would make perfect sense--Ichigo's spirit energy keeps his soul slayer released, even when he is unconcious (or something like that, we haven't seen him "unrelease" it), so, certainly Kenpachi's is also released. If so, ;_;, 'cuz we;ll never see Kenpachi with a more badass/creative weapon.
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[DOT].L
2005-06-25, 23:40
Seeing that spoilers are allowed in the Q&A, I'll try answering.
Ichigo's zanpakutou is strange. It doesn't seem to have a Shikai (initial release), and is always in huge-ass mode. It could be that Ichigo's spirit power is so abundant the sword is always in Shikai mode. Now this was never fully explained in the manga either, so no-one really knows. (if I'm wrong someone correct me please)
Kenpachi's weapon, on the other hand, is said to be a low-class zanpakutou that has no name. Therefore, it cannot be "released." If memory serves, Ichigo asks Kenpachi the name of his zanpakutou, and Kenpachi replies: "Name? What name?" It is possible that Kenpachi never had to tap into his sword's power because of his already overwhelming spirit pressure. Again, no-one knows for sure whether Ken's sword is capable of "releases" or not.
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Wolcik
2005-06-26, 09:54
Originally Posted by [DOT].L
said to be a low-class zanpakutou that has no name. Therefore, it cannot be "released." If memory serves, Ichigo asks Kenpachi the name of his zanpakutou, and Kenpachi replies: "Name? What name?" It is possible that Kenpachi never had to tap into his sword's power because of his already overwhelming spirit pressure. Again, no-one knows for sure whether Ken's sword is capable of "releases" or not.
Originally Posted by Animizzle
More or less, but actually, he said his spirit power was so powerfull no seal could surpress it. Therefore sealing his sword is simply unnecessary.
Ken Chan fight without learning his zanpakutous's name, because he is enough strong without it, but after he was deafeated by Ichigo he tried to ask his sword a name and that means that as every shinigami he can learn realese of zanpakutou, but he never wanted to do it so...
I mean he still could learn realese but he still has the time so maybe when we see him next time fighting some Menos Grande or something he will use realese or even Ban Kai
which will be Hella stronger then he was till now
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raikage
2005-06-27, 17:23
.L']Seeing that spoilers are allowed in the Q&A, I'll try answering.
Ichigo's zanpakutou is strange. It doesn't seem to have a Shikai (initial release), and is always in huge-ass mode. It could be that Ichigo's spirit power is so abundant the sword is always in Shikai mode. Now this was never fully explained in the manga either, so no-one really knows. (if I'm wrong someone correct me please)
Kenpachi's weapon, on the other hand, is said to be a low-class zanpakutou that has no name. Therefore, it cannot be "released." If memory serves, Ichigo asks Kenpachi the name of his zanpakutou, and Kenpachi replies: "Name? What name?" It is possible that Kenpachi never had to tap into his sword's power because of his already overwhelming spirit pressure. Again, no-one knows for sure whether Ken's sword is capable of "releases" or not.
From what I understand, every sword has a name. Ichigo's blade, Zangetsu, even remarked that Kenpachi's sword was howling (or something like that) because the blade and its owner don't have the synchronization (for lack of a better term) that many of the shinigami have with their zanpakutou. It is entirely possible that Kenpachi doesn't have 'it', whatever 'it' is, that lets him communicate with his weapon.
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Wolcik
2005-06-27, 18:09
About Ken-chan's Zanpakutou
If he somehow managed to talk with his sword's soul and then release it he would be having it in full-release mode cause he has lots of free power like a orange boy
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noir senshi
2005-06-27, 23:45
How do you say 5th(any number will do) squad captain and 5th squad lieutenant in japanese? The romaji will be nice
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dgb001
2005-07-02, 02:18
is there an info site like the one with Naruto where it explain everything in details? if yes, can I please have the link?
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stubbornpoop
2005-07-02, 03:07
here is two questions of my own that might be spoilers or maybe not...but just in case:
1-do we know what rank rukia was before she met ichigo? it was briefly touched upon earlier in this thread but not really answered. liek said earlier, as children, rukia was way stronger than renji which implied (if it was planning on following a regular anime plot-line) that she would end up way stronger than him, but there has been no evidence that she was a VC or captain so...whats up with it?
2-whats the deal with the cat guy? why does he talk (lol) and what's his reasons for wanting to go to SS?
don't answer if it is relevent to the ENTIRE plot of bleach, thus ruining my faith in human-kind, and more importantly anime.
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NoSanninWa
2005-07-02, 03:37
here is two questions of my own that might be spoilers or maybe not...but just in case:
1-do we know what rank rukia was before she met ichigo? it was briefly touched upon earlier in this thread but not really answered. liek said earlier, as children, rukia was way stronger than renji which implied (if it was planning on following a regular anime plot-line) that she would end up way stronger than him, but there has been no evidence that she was a VC or captain so...whats up with it?
Rukia was not a Vice-Captain though I'm not sure what her exact rank was. (The C and the VC of the 13th Squad were other people you'll eventually learn about.) It seems that Renji managed to surpass her by a good bit.
2-whats the deal with the cat guy? why does he talk (lol) and what's his reasons for wanting to go to SS?
It does give away something to tell you what Yoruichi's connection to Soul Society is and why Yoruichi can talk. I'd recommend that you don't click on the spoiler below because it is really cool when you find out in the story, but just telling you won't be even a tiny little bit cool.
Yoruichi is a shinigami who can take the form of a cat. That should answer your question. I'll let you find out the rest of Yoruichi's story by watching the show.
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Jingjong
2005-07-02, 03:42
How do you say 5th(any number will do) squad captain and 5th squad lieutenant in japanese? The romaji will be nice
Gobantai taicho
gobantai fukutaicho
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Kyuuen
2005-07-02, 03:54
Question: Who are the two short Shinigamis who are present along with Squad 13 Captain during the ending song?
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NoSanninWa
2005-07-02, 03:58
Question: Who are the two short Shinigamis who are present along with Squad 13 Captain during the ending song?
You'll find out soon enough. You'll really be much more happy if you wait to find out about the 13th Squad since that answer is relevant to the plot. (I'd rather not even give names because sometimes people type things and then this information will line up with something else that was talked about...)
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stubbornpoop
2005-07-02, 12:50
heres another question. Does the plot (or will it) ever go past saving rukia? like if ichigo saves her will the series end and that's that or will a new plot form?
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Zoe
2005-07-02, 13:57
heres another question. Does the plot (or will it) ever go past saving rukia? like if ichigo saves her will the series end and that's that or will a new plot form?
There's a new plot now.
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Kyuuen
2005-07-03, 19:07
You'll find out soon enough. You'll really be much more happy if you wait to find out about the 13th Squad since that answer is relevant to the plot. (I'd rather not even give names because sometimes people type things and then this information will line up with something else that was talked about...)
Actually, i read the manga, but i dun recall seeing those two shinigamis before, i'm not refering to Kaien btw.
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Bahamut89
2005-07-04, 18:18
1-do we know what rank rukia was before she met ichigo? it was briefly touched upon earlier in this thread but not really answered. liek said earlier, as children, rukia was way stronger than renji which implied (if it was planning on following a regular anime plot-line) that she would end up way stronger than him, but there has been no evidence that she was a VC or captain so...whats up with it?.
My assumption was that Rukia is good at Demon Magic but not very good at sword fighting. So the flashback showed her having more control of her spirit energy, which is still true. Unfortunately for her, it seems like most of the high ranks belong to people who are good at sword fighting.
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Sokar
2005-07-05, 01:23
The difference between Rukia and Renji's power can be explained pretty easily.
Renji worked his ass off because of his goal of overcoming Byakuya, where Rukia wasn't working very hard. In the flashbacks we see Renji training hard, and Rukia feeling sorry for herself because people treat her differently because of her new noble status.
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Morisato
2005-07-06, 00:33
Question: Who are the two short Shinigamis who are present along with Squad 13 Captain during the ending song?
they are 3rd seats
this is wrong, yoruichi is not a shinigami, she does not even have a soul slayer, she just super fast and has a lot of artifacts.
The difference between Rukia and Renji's power can be explained pretty easily.
Renji worked his ass off because of his goal of overcoming Byakuya, where Rukia wasn't working very hard. In the flashbacks we see Renji training hard, and Rukia feeling sorry for herself because people treat her differently because of her new noble status.
plus the fact that she had an incident with her superior that scarred her
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Bronwen Stx
2005-07-06, 00:41
this is wrong, yoruichi is not a shinigami, she does not even have a soul slayer, she just super fast and has a lot of artifacts.
Uh. WRONG. Yoruichi was the previous captain of Division Two, and her ex VC was Soi Fong who is now captain of Division 2. Read the manga again, you're getting your facts wrong. She is a shinigami as NSW said!
Read Chapter 116+ where Rukia explains who she is. Okay, she hasn't revealed her sword though...I don't think she needs a reason to.
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caven
2005-07-08, 03:08
From what I understand, every sword has a name. Ichigo's blade, Zangetsu, even remarked that Kenpachi's sword was howling (or something like that) because the blade and its owner don't have the synchronization (for lack of a better term) that many of the shinigami have with their zanpakutou. It is entirely possible that Kenpachi doesn't have 'it', whatever 'it' is, that lets him communicate with his weapon.
I think I payed attention so here's my theories on Ichigo and Kenpachi's zanpakuto's:
Ichigo: His is sealed right now. It's just that big because his normal spiritual pressure is still too much for him to truly keep bottled up/under control.
When he releases it by yelling out zangetsu like all the other shinigamis it should take on a completely different form.
Kenpachi: His only looks like a low level in the same way as Ichigo's first sword looked like Rukia's. It isn't his swords true form. In a sense I think it has to get broken down like Ichigo's does. Then he has to go through a process similar to Ichigo in which he gets a new sword and learns its name and so on and so forth.
His current sword as we learned in the most recent episode, feels the exact opposite of kenpachi. Maybe it doesnt like to fight as much or it feels differently about whose stronger or where he gets his strength from. We do know though that his sword howls because "When two people of great spiritual force disagree they clash." so kenpachi and his sword dont agree and his sword is howling because of it. But kenpachi is like a god so he doesnt hear it.
His sword isnt released either for him I really do believe in its current form it really is just a tool. On this level he is weaker than ichigo but if he releases it, unless ichigo gets stronger, he'll be way stronger than ichigo.
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Bahamut89
2005-07-08, 03:30
I think I payed attention so here's my theories on Ichigo and Kenpachi's zanpakuto's:
Ichigo: His is sealed right now. It's just that big because his normal spiritual pressure is still too much for him to truly keep bottled up/under control.
When he releases it by yelling out zangetsu like all the other shinigamis it should take on a completely different form.
Kenpachi: His only looks like a low level in the same way as Ichigo's first sword looked like Rukia's. It isn't his swords true form. In a sense I think it has to get broken down like Ichigo's does. Then he has to go through a process similar to Ichigo in which he gets a new sword and learns its name and so on and so forth.
His current sword as we learned in the most recent episode, feels the exact opposite of kenpachi. Maybe it doesnt like to fight as much or it feels differently about whose stronger or where he gets his strength from. We do know though that his sword howls because "When two people of great spiritual force disagree they clash." so kenpachi and his sword dont agree and his sword is howling because of it. But kenpachi is like a god so he doesnt hear it.
His sword isnt released either for him I really do believe in its current form it really is just a tool. On this level he is weaker than ichigo but if he releases it, unless ichigo gets stronger, he'll be way stronger than ichigo.
It's always released. That's pretty obvious. He called it's name when he first released it and simply never put it back. He either can't or doesn't know how, it doesn't really matter. It's obviously not a level 0 sword or in sealed form or however you want to call it it because it looks completely from everyone else's. You may have noticed that all Zanpakutou look like normal katana when not released. Even Ichigo's did, although it was much larger. It's size seems to be a plot hole, but I'd assume that it was large simply because he feels comfortable with a large sword. Additionally, his sword has an ability in this form, unreleased swords have no abilities
Kenpachi's sword has no name because he's never asked it. Much like Ichigo in the beginning. It screams because it's being used as a tool without a name, and Kenpachi can't hear it because he has no connection to it or any other sword. This is just the way I interpreted it, I have no evidence like I did for Ichigo's. Other the other hand, this means Kenpachi is completely all-powerful compared to other shinigami.
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Morisato
2005-07-08, 04:01
Uh. WRONG. Yoruichi was the previous captain of Division Two, and her ex VC was Soi Fong who is now captain of Division 2. Read the manga again, you're getting your facts wrong. She is a shinigami as NSW said!
Read Chapter 116+ where Rukia explains who she is. Okay, she hasn't revealed her sword though...I don't think she needs a reason to.
uh no, I've talked about it already, Yoruichi was not part of the Gotei 13, aka she was not the 2nd division captain. She was the head of the special ops division and the brigadier general.
http://img220.echo.cx/img220/4302/ma...ch130107qv.png
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Bronwen Stx
2005-07-08, 04:30
Ah, I apologize, that was my mistake, Morisato . But Soi Fong is Captain of the 2nd Division now.