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Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Alright, give me a culprit and explain their emotionally-founded reasons for killing EVERYONE, not just a few people.

Almost anyone could do, actually. Eva has her own inferiority complex left in her by Kinzo, because she's a woman - even though she's more capable than Krauss. Then you've got Kyrie, with her 18-year long hell, plus learning the truth about Battler's birth. Then we've got Natsuhi who's yet another woman with an inferiority complex due to how she's been treated in the Ushiromiya family, ans she's not letting the good things she's finally be able to caught simply crumble. Then there's also Rosa and her failure of a love life.

All of them have got emotional reasons to go for the gold and try to start a new life.
Moreover, a situation in which everyone got killed could be very similar to what we saw in EP7's Tea Party. In fact, this is the idea I'm supporting.

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

And you know what? It doesn't look like Yasu planned for the scenario of "Someone solved the Epitaph but she didn't know about it so she acted as if no one had solved it." If she did, we never saw that message bottle.

The problem is there must be a way to know if it was solved, because otherwise, not only would Yasu's plan would have had a huge flaw, but Genji's plan as well, back when he expected Yasu to solve the Epitaph. Back when she did it, Genji showed up there immediately.

Moreover, think about it, Eva solved the Epitaph in EP3. She solved it after the 1st Twilight had taken place and everyone was taking shelter in the Guest House. Furthermore, in order to get to the gold, you must go to the Chapel, meaning getting out of the Guest House. Yasu must have noticed this, since she must have been watching them - otherwise, even if they did announce they had solved the epitaph, she wouldn't have been able to know, especially since she had killed Shannon and Kanon.

So, either there's a mechanism that allows you to know the epitaph has been solved, or Yasu must have taken notice of Eva heading toward the chapel.

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Alright, great. Totally irrelevant, though, because my point is that she puts in a lot of misplaced effort in her projects and actions and then throws her hands up. This is true even with this broom example. After a while, she stopped trying to find it and just started working on her explanation for why she couldn't find it, which she then kept to herself and suffered the consequences of losing it.

I don't think it's irrelevant, because these are two situations faced by a Yasu with extremely different states of mind. In the broom example, Yasu kept looking for it, as you said, and eventually came up with the fantastical explanation that Beatrice had stolen it. But her efforts were not misplaced, because saying she had lost it would probably have brought her a sever reprimand by Natsuhi and quite likely further mockery by her fellow servants. Moreover, notice she eventually talked about these things with Kumasawa, she got told about the attaching things to a string and she stopped losing things like her own keys. In fact, we learned that Yasu/Shannon became far less clumsy and much more efficient. So, she actually kept putting efforts in to her actions. She kept on trying.

The Devil's Roulette, on the other hand, is just Yasu not even trying any more. She's just leaving her fate to luck.

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Bernkastel doesn't take that many risks. it's one of the traits explicitly noted to separate her from Beatrice. Bern only included what was necessary for Will to solve things, and by not including Battler, she is saying that this story doesn't need a heart. On top of that, what if BATTLER somehow possessed Piece Battler and interfered, or the Spectator's Authority allowed him to speak with BATTLER (since figures under the Authority can apparently access all memories of all their selves).

But how would Piece Battler have posed any risk? In that mashed-up world, Battler is as risky to Bern as George is. In fact, perhaps even less, since Battler had been away from the family for 6 years. Moreover, the issue of bringing Will is to put heart into the story, because Bern knows she cannot do that. Why would she try to take away that which was required? Furthermore, BATTLER, as we saw in EP8, was completely unaware of EP7's game. Moreover, had BATTLER been aware of that game, he wouldn't have needed Piece Battler to be there, since he would simply have approached Bern and stopped the game.

I also don't think Bern expected BATTLER to simply be able to reach Featherine's studio.

Originally Posted by Renall

We were left with few options, but that doesn't mean we had any really great way to know what Beatrice wanted.

By the end of ep4 we were only left with the idea that Battler himself was specifically important to Beatrice's motive by the whole "Battler has a sin" conversation, which basically said nothing. The only thing anybody could find was that he might have made a couple promises to people. Many people considered that, and just as many went looking for something, anything else on account of that being too obvious and too simplistic.

Whoops, guess we shouldn't have overestimated.

Well, the Shkanon and Shannontrice theories did exist back then.
Although, I think most people just didn't try to merge those two together, because, well... logic.