[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Before I continue, I want to note that Raising Heart detects Deville disappearing, but he doesn't immediately reappear. He only pops back in AFTER Nanoha's fortress shields have finished spreading out in all directions.

She detected "something" approaching, not Deville dissapearing.

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

3) It just naturally takes people some time to re-appear after teleporting; perhaps even an amount of time proportional to the distance they covered? But if so, Deville could NOT reliably use this trick against a moving opponent, and so MUST use this against an opponent he hopes will stay in one place long enough.

Nightcrawler laughs at this argument.

Intant teleportation do exist, and we didn't even know how Deville's works, we don't see him make any preparation, plus, his teleport abilities aren't a "magical" powers so it's unlikely we will see Deville chanting arias and make handsigns. The guy just go BAMF! an reappears, we didn't see Deville make any long distance teleport and he apparently can make eye-contact with Nanoha from his point when he K.O.ed Isis(instant teleporters usually can't teleport long distances or without making having knowledge of the place they're attempting to re-appear).

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

The only other way would require the power to observe realspace from dimensional space AND the power to alter his destination in mid-teleport.

Not necessarily, an instant teleporter can arrange his own pattern in order to confuse the opponent, all Deville needs is an opening.

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

You haven't even seen him use it while actively engaged with an opponent, so that isn't a claim you can make with good authority.

That's because we hardly seen him doing anything while engaging with an opponent xDU

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

At no point do we see Deville attempting to match speed with Fate. He just turned into someone too tough to hurt and too strong to mess with. That last engagement we saw may have simply been Deville defending himself / counterattacking, because he wasn't bothering to try and attack someone he couldn't chase.

Exactly, we hardly seen what happened, and you pointed out the thrut, without his short jump the best Deville can do against Fate is turtling and trying to counter her attacks. Also Fate come out unscathed, we yet need to confirm what kind of use his short jump can have. Teleport can be used offensively.

Exactly, we hardly seen what happened, and you pointed out the thrut, without his short jump the best Deville can do against Fate is turtling and trying to counter one of her attacks.And as I said, reaction speed and striking speed are different from movement speed. Fate is the fastest flier by far, but that doesn't mean she has the same dramatic advantage in the other sorts of speed.

Otherwise, Nanoha would not have been able to defend against her flash-moving flanking attacks in the first season. Which Nanoha was very definitely capable of doing.[/QUOTE]

I remind you that Nanoha was utterly secrewed by Fate's speed the first two times, it was only when she cashed on her defensive power and tricky shoot tricks(she isn't as fast as Fate but she can make her bullets as fast as her) that she managed to even thing. And Signum herself admited is pretty difficult to react to Fate's attack-speed and is taking some effort to find an opening. It's kind of a similar situation(direct hits from were able to send Fate backwards and concentrates on her reflexes and defenses to trying to catch Fate when she tries to ambush her). And we're taling about someone that is probably orders of maginute faster than Deville strike-speed wise(we already know that Signum is at least faster than Cypha).

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

And why are we even assuming that Deville is slower than Nanoha at flight? It could just be that he's as fast as she is, but he doesn't have any projectile attacks. He's got an axe, and he specializes in melee attacks. Even with Nanoha-level speed, there's no way to get into range to hit Fate without matching her speed.

Since when someone assumed that?

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Or teleporting. Which we don't see him do against her.

Again, we didn't see most of their fight, this claiming is turning a bit repetitive.

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

My problems with that:

1a) Subaru can try breaking her speed with Mach Calibur, but her only point of friction is with the ground. Too much speed and too much breaking, her upper mass will swing forward over her center of gravity, her contact with the ground will break, and suddenly she's hurtling forward.

1b) Nanoha, using the power of magical flight, creates and controls her own momentum without needing friction with any surface. Further, all of her momentum is generated from her center of gravity, keeping her from being flipped over from acceleration or breaking.

Not only can she simply break in mid-air (by stopping her efforts to fly forward and starting an effort to fly backwards, against her forward momentum), but she can also generate momentum to fly in any other direction to begin turning. Especially by simply turning her entire body around on its axis, pointing herself in the new direction she wants, and applying a Flash Move to head off in that new direction.

The only possible issue might be G-Forces and how much a Barrier Jacket can do to counteract those. Obviously, a combat cyborg will handle this problem better, but it's not going to be because of rollerblading.

2a) Subaru can presumably leap off the ground to plant her rollerblades on a wall, then either race along the wall before turning to the ground, or leap off again. If she's not going too fast, she can also hand-stand off a wall, especially if she uses Revolver Knuckle. Her cyborg limbs and joints would be better able to absorb the shocks and generate kick-offs than a normal human.

2b) Nothing prevents an aerial mage from doing the same damn thing. With air breaking to reduce the shock of landing on a surface, and a Flash Move to enhance the kick-off force, Nanoha should have been able to pull the same tricks. And a barrier jacket does a lot to prevent scraping your hands when hand-standing off a wall at high-speed.

Again, the only possible issue is G-Forces, and the solution would sooner be "combat cyborg" than "rollerblades".

Which, yes, COULD mean that Subaru can afford to go faster in tight, sharply twisting corridors than Nanoha. But the flying Numbers should be able to do it EVEN FASTER.

....Absorb Grip xD!