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Originally Posted by Graveyard Duck
Which reminds me, you've yet to provide the source for your alleged Jefferson quote.
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You can google it yourself, this is not some kind of obscure literature.
In your interpretation of liberty and debauchery you are now confusing liberty with a given right. and no, they are not the same before you try again to muddle them, for example the freedom of speech is a liberty, whether or not governments (present or past) all over the world give it to their citizens.