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Old 2007-08-23, 01:12   Link #1100
Chudley
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by 4Tran View Post
In-universe, the characters aren't supposed to know that they're protected by act of plot. In war, people don't die just because they make mistakes, but because they're just in the wrong place at the wrong time. In a realistic universe, being in a powerful machine like Gawain is little protection since such high-value targets tend to attract the most enemy fire as well. And of course, even something as simple as a broken communications antenna could render Lelouch incommunicado.

Moreover, the point of being a leader is to prepare for different possible outcomes, and that's something Lelouch certainly didn't do in not nurturing subordinates. Just because that hadn't bit him in the butt yet hardly excuses such a serious lapse. As a historical note, just about all renowned leaders also managed to surround themselves with excellent subordinates.
Why would you say that being in Gawain is little protection? It probably has the highest survival rate among all the OoBK knightmare frames. Not to mention it can friggin fly and has hadron cannons that can render aerial attacks useless, thats how Zero & Karen were able to escape from numerous Sutherlands at Kamenijina island. If Zero was in a Burai or Gekka, his chances of demise are way higher.

Regarding your 2nd point, the reason why the OoBK are in complete disarray is due to two unforseen circumstances. 1)Nunally's abduction puts Zero out of the picture. 2)Ougi(vice-commander), who could have taken over Zero, was shot at the command post, thus putting him out of the picture as well, hence why the OoBk are in deep sh*t. Who says Zero doesnt have excellent subordinates? Todo and Kallen are extremely capable fighters, Diethard handles tasks efficiently and provides valuable information to Zero, Ougi serves as his vice-commander. 1 major difference between renowned leaders and Zero is that the former truly fights for their country while the latter fights instead for a loved one, hence why renowned leaders nurture successors while Zero pretty much does things his own way.

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Originally Posted by 4Tran View Post
Why do you say that? Cornelia sacrificing a unit in order to take down the enemy's indispensable leader is a very sound military tactic - there's nothing at all extreme about it. And Cornelia has been in Lelouch's shoes; Euphemia was captured when those terrorists took the hotel hostage. However, the only extreme thing that she did there was to accept Zero's help.

Besides, my argument is that Nunally is far more than Lelouch's source of weakness; she's largely his source of inspiration as well. In classical terms, she'd be his muse.
Just a unit? The Gawain went like PEWPEW 360 and took out every single one of the air supplies. That ain't a sound military tactic at all, sacrificing so many people (yea you dont think the planes are unmanned right? Sunrise should have depicted people dying here) just so that Zero may fall for the bait (plan wasn't guaranteed to work). Furthuremore, when Zero arrived at the place, only Cornelia was waiting for him. Does that sound logical? If you were anticipating the enemy's leader, would you lie in wait with only one gloucester? Absolutely not, considering Cornelia doesn't even know the fighting capabilities of Gawain. In regards to the JLF incident, what happened to the principle of no negotiations with terrorists? Lol the moment Zero said he'll save Euphemia, Cornelia pretty much went with him. Both scenarios showcased Cornelia being clouded by her emotions and going to extremes. (If these aint extremes I dont know what is)

I do agree with you that Nunally is largely Zero's source of inspiration as well as his weakness.

Last edited by Chudley; 2007-08-23 at 01:58.
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