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Old 2011-01-02, 02:14   Link #94
AuraTwilight
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Would it be mean to suggest we got the "ending" we did because Ryukishi wrote himself out of a corner and had no way to fix it?
Yes, since the ending was implied through the whole series. You can't say it's an asspull, since it dies up everything in a thematic sense.

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I think people are misunderstanding those of us who are unhappy with the spoilers, the problem is not not having a definite answer on what happened on Rokkenjima, the problem is not having any answer to the main points built by the previous chapter....

for example episode 7 gaves a coherent answer as to the source of the gold then later in the chapter we get a hint that that might not have been the full truth..... I don't know if the gold was touched upon on chapter 8 but if it had been left like that and its up to us to believe Kinzo story or think something else happened that's fine, however. if we had never got any explanation about the Gold and he said something like Oh, you are free to believe whatever you want about the source of the gold that would have just been bad writing.

From the sound of it this is what happens with most of the remaining mysteries, the problem is not that we didn't get an unquestionable solution the problem is that we didn't get any solution at all nor any reasons to keep on believing a coherent narrative with a who, how and why dunnit for each of the first four episodes can be formed
You were supposed to find out all that on your own, though. Before EP8 was even published, Ryukishi said the mystery was concluded.

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The other problem is Umineko made it seem like the the whole point was finding the solution... Pan's Laberynth had an open end where no final answer on whether the magic world is real is provided but that's o.k because the work was never about that....In Umineko you are encouraged over and over to think about this... even if Author theory applies and on the metanarrative level Umineko was not a mystery novel we are told up to episode 7 that the intention of each of the authors was to write mystery novels and that they wanted the readers to solve them so its o.k not to get an answer about rokkenjima prime but we should at least get answers regarding the solutions the authors of those fictions within fiction novels had in mind.
Ryukishi has been saying since before EP4 was released that we weren't going to be getting the answers. It's your own fault for building up expectations he was forthrightly claiming he had no intentions of meeting.

The answers are there, find them yourself. That's what it means to have "personal satisfaction."
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