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Old 2009-05-21, 11:27   Link #109
TrueKnight
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Originally Posted by Ultramarinus
His good deeds were no more real than his bad deeds, as he himself tells her such, Nina has to take his word. There isn't any other source of information except Gorneo, who already had told the same.
Then she had amnesia of the good things Fon-fon’s conducted during in Zuellni? Fon-fon hadn’t violated any laws.

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Originally Posted by Ultramarinus
He did those mostly to fund the orphanage, he was at fault but the motives were selfless, maybe except cutting down that guy. If he made his case like that, he could receive a lesser punishment or at least the Queen could use her initiative in the matter to at least let him stay. Not to mention Nina could at least not offer separating.
His crimes were severe in the eyes of Grendan’s and the royal family. Fon-fon was just lucky really.

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Originally Posted by Ultramarinus
and you've been refusing all of my explanations to their nature.

long as you continue to ignore these facts, we'll just continue to repeat with different words.
Unfortunately, as are you. You argued about ‘motives’, I argued about ‘facts’, ‘events that happened’.

Grendan events:

- He committed crime in Grendan and had been punished;
- Has a motive of survival;

Zuellni events

- Arrived at Zuellni, during this has his motive of survival;
- Beat squad 16, during this has his motive of survival;
- Saved the city in ep 5, during this has his motive of survival;
- Fighting the dragon in ep 7 saving the city again, during this has his motive of survival;
- Fighting Gorneo and co, during this has his motive of survival;
- Conducting surveillance to the Goat City; during this has his motive of survival;
- Confront Nina, his past exposed, stood by his ideals and during this has his motive of survival
- Confront Shante and Gorneo who probably intends to kill him, beat them off, but he spared them, during this has his motive of survival;
- Ep 12 – ep 15, during these periods he has his motive of survival;

He had his motives, but still, he didn’t commit any crimes at all. These are what you seems didn't take into account.

If we arguing about ‘motives’, then pretty much Nina’s recklessness and forcefulness should’ve been taken into account because of her nature to not thinking strategically as seen 2 years prior, in ep 2, 6, and 16. And she should’ve been strip out of her rank permanently because he’s unfit to be a leader, it could simply happen again in the future because of these events and based on ‘motives’ alone. Not because of facts.

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Originally Posted by Ultramarinus
She didn't tolerate his way of thinking because it goes against military, law and squad safety. Let's drop this as well and call it a disagreement.
And you dismiss the fact the Fon-fon hadn’t conduct any crimes of violations under her leadership, but so far he obeyed nearly every order that was given, including from the high ranks. Just because his way of thinking is different she consider them as a ‘crime’.

Maybe you’re right. Lets disagree.

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As I said several times before, she would just have him moved to another platoon. She doesn't have the authority to expel, she didn't imply that either.
You’re right, he should remove under different platoon where they can at least tolerate his differences rather than a rather ‘racist’ or ‘chauvinistic’ squad who likes to prejudice.

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Felli told them about Layfon's true ideals and it made sense, so she drops the matter. If she thought he really was like how he told, (EBUL!!!) she wouldn't let it go.
Your right, that’s why she’s still angry with him in the end. Good for them.
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