Episode 36
It's just one guy for crying out load. A whole military base can't capture one guy?!?!
Well the plot keeps thickening. I don't mind the direction it's going that much but I wish it would do it better.
Personally I don't know what Athrun was thinking when he decided to argue with the Chairman. The holes in the Chairman's reasoning are obvious. If Archangel is on their side then he expects them to come to him and if they don't then he can destroy them. I think the obvious solution is for ZAFT to try and contact Archangel for negotiations. Athrun could have easily pointed that out and yet he didn't. Maybe he realised the Chairman's real side then but we don't know and that's the issue. Like I said, I don't know what Athrun was thinking so i don't know what the story is trying to achieve. Was the story saying the Chairman's rationale looked reasonable on paper but Athrun knew otherwise or is the story saying the Chairman's rational had obvious holes but Athrun didn't feel the need to push?
Episode 37
And thus Athrun survives. Cue surprise from absolutely no one.
Well at least Meyrin survived too. I'd have been incredibly pissed if they let Meyrin die.
I hope Shinn becomes a full blown antagonist now. He'd make a great antagonist.
Spoiler for @ monster:
Re-arranged somethings due to overlap
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Originally Posted by monster
It's in a side story, but it's also in the anime. That's how Orb got the technology to build mobile suits.
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I never said these ideals are not important. There are many things that governments do that are important, things that are done in secret, and even things that could affect the head of the government if known to the public. That doesn't mean they're all on the same level as the US government infringing the US Constitution.
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Yes but still. The way they acted with it seemed very much like something they knew was going against their principles, and that principle in question was their ideals.
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My point is that Junius 7 is a valid justification IF they wanted to claim they're still trying to keep Orb's ideals.
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And I made it clear that it's false equivalence and fanwanking anyway. The fact is that they didn't keep with their ideals and broke it completely. That's what I'm complaining about. Talking about how they could have is just even more annoying to me, because that's what I would have
want to have happened.
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HOWEVER, they could also choose to say that they're abandoning those ideals because it is not working for Orb in the current global situation. Either way, they have a justification for joining the Alliance. I'm sorry if this caused any confusion.
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My whole point was that it was out of character...
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Neutrality is about not interfering in the conflicts of other nations. Non-aggression, in this context, is about not attacking other nations for one's own purpose, such as colonization or imperialism. They're two different things.
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And neutrality is justification for that. Because they are neutral, they can justify their non-aggression and justify their right as a sovereign nation.
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That the fact that he failed to uphold these ideals ultimately did not matter. It did not change Orb fundamentally as a country.
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He did not fail to uphold the ideals just because the Earth Alliance invaded. Even if everyone had fought to he last man, the Earth Alliance would have ultimately invaded.
That aside, what sort of fundamental change would you be expecting if those ideals were fundamental and the Earth Alliance had still managed to invade?