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Old 2013-05-20, 04:50   Link #32341
haguruma
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Originally Posted by AuraTwilight View Post
hypothetical group suicide would be insane since it drags in a bunch of innocent people against their will and is completely unnecessary since there are less extreme, more productive solutions to their problems.
Yet nobody within the stories would have agreed to a hypothetical group suicide. People are doing it being certain that they will win to a certain percentage and that their chances playing along are better than working against the crazy woman with the bomb. It's a little bit of game theory, where you search to stack the odds in your favor. Considering that Yasu was not only threatening you, but also your loved ones this becomes a much more intricate game.
Learning about her identity also means at least for Krauss/Natsuhi, Eva/Hideyoshi and Rosa that their child is in close range of Yasu and would likely trust her enough to become an easy target. In that sense, Rudolph and Kyrie are a little bit of a wild card in her game.

I have thought about Renall's proposition of cornering Yasu and taking her out, but that depends to much on the ability to trust that nobody else will make use of the situation/works with Yasu and will betray you in return.

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And, again, there's no indication honor even plays a role in this scenario; all the adults who worry about money and their companies do so to protect their LIVELIHOOD, not their social standing. All of them worry about what they will do with their lives from then on if things collapse, as if to indicate they're mostly concerned about their family's/children's wellbeing.
But isn't social standing and well-being intrinsically linked in the social realm that the Ushiromiya's exist in? They do care about their families, but money is an inherent element that cares for their well-being as well and being able to care for your family is again deeply linked with a certain element of honor, or rather not being able to care for them creates shame.

What I do not understand in this discussion is, why they cannot be loving people and consumed by the need for money at the same time. It's as if being one would directly contradict the other.
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