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Old 2012-03-11, 20:05   Link #990
Elestia
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No, not really. That was my point. The girls are only crazy in this show because Saya is trying to make them crazy to make them strong in the otherworld. Yomi and Kohata would not have gotten anywhere near as bad without Saya's influence. Kagari is an exception. You can't just say "oh Mato would've gone crazy like they did" because they are not in comparable situations.
And you are saying that despite people close to Mato are going batshit insane, forgetting Yuu exists, or being mocked-strangled, Mato isn't going to have some pent up stress building. I already pointed that Mato's situation is way beyond what any average middle-schooler goes through (I daresay, even more or similar to what Yomi is going through), but you are constantly defending the point that Mato is somehow a super-stoic girl and does not run the risk that pent up stress being a risk. You know, that Saya wants to avoid at all cost, awakening IBRS. Remember what Saya said after IBRS woke up? You know, the conditions that is required to awaken a person's alter ego

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Yomi was told "no one would care if you didn't exist". This specifically targeted her insecurities after Kagari forgot her/stopped needing her and she was jealous of Mato and Yuu's relationship. It implanted an idea which was deliberately meant to hurt Yomi emotionally.
You have no evidence to suggest that Yomi would be perfectly fine if Saya didn't insert that unnecessary bit of advice. As you stated, after Kagari's ordeal, Yomi was already in a vulnerable state. Saya merely acted as a catalyst, it could be entirely plausible that Yomi would have gone crazy too, without Saya's interference. Do you remember what finally made Yomi snap? It wasn't Saya, but Kagari that broke the camel's back.

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Stuff like people not knowing who Yuu is, the "nice counsellor lady" for some reason strangling her, etc. would've been confusing for Mato, but there is no reason they would have to give her an actual emotionally wound. Mato has a generally positive/optimistic personality (hell, Yomi and Kohata were initially optimistic as well), it would require deliberate targeted/malicious attacks like Saya uses for it to actually be dangerous. The difference lies specifically in whether someone is actively trying to worsen all the bad things she's experienced. Random stuff in the real world like bitchslapping somebody or seeing a disturbing painting is simply not on the same level as being forced to see yourself kill somebody you wanted to save. There is no evidence at all that IBRS would have appeared without Yuu's actions.

Right. Cause there is no way she didn't run the risk at all before she was transferred to the otherworld. You are again arguing that Saya would be stupid enough to gamble that Mato wouldn't awaken. She is trying to prevent IBRS from awakening at all costs, when she slapped Yuu it tells us how strongly Saya wanted to prevent that from happening. If IBRS awoken then no one would be able to stop her, yet you are telling me she wanted to bet against that worst-case-scenario still. As I have pointed out, BRS did not seem to be randomly killing or targeting alter-egos indiscriminately. There was no reason to kill BRS for the reasons Saya stated of "destroying the world".

Considering all the crap Mato went through to try to save Yomi from Kagari's messed up relationship, I would think Mato would care very deeply about Yomi's situation. There is a reason why Mato responded so strongly to Kagari's comments about Yomi. Considering that Mato's remaining few persons she could trust was the school counselor, a refuge and sanctuary from her worries, but instead betrays that trust with an unexplainable and threatening action. Considering that Yuu is Mato's childhood friend that everyone in school knew, but suddenly one-day not a single person remembers her except herself. What would Mato be thinking of at that time? Maybe that she is going insane? Maybe Yuu was somehow a hallucination? Or when Mato was starting to forget Yuu too? What do you think would have happened if Mato didn't find Yuu sitting on the riverbank while she was desperately trying cling onto her memories of Yuu? That there was no trace of Yuu in the world and that somehow all her memories of Yuu were fake or a lie.

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Saya never "sent in" Kohata, Mato stumbled across Kohata's problem by herself. BRS also killed Kohata's otherworld persona by herself. This went against Saya's plan because Kohata's persona had barely even begun growing, so you can clearly see that BRS is not killing things only because Saya is making her do so. BRS's killing sprees have nothing to do with Mato's grief specifically (how exactly does Kohata being laughed at, or Kagari feeling extremely possessive of Yomi, actually affect Mato's own pain?), rather she just seems to be randomly killing various things that she runs across (i.e. possibly attempting to destroy the other world). It's true that BRS mostly seems to be killing things associated with people Mato runs across in real life, but this doesn't mean that Saya has anything to do with it, just that (like we've been saying) BRS appears to be attempting to destroy the other world.
For Kohata, Saya targeted her because she had an exploitable situation. However, at the same time Kohata was part of the basketball team that Mato participates in. While she didn't send Kohata herself, she indirectly made Mato worry deeply about Kohata when Saya exposed her love letter to everyone in the school. That means the chances that Mato would be aware that Kohata was suffering would lead to BRS dealing with the unease Mato was experiencing. This defeats the entire purpose of what Saya is trying to accomplish if it was not her goal to not have BRS go after Kohata. Therefore, it was only natural that BRS would run into Kohata after Saya mind-trolled her. So what does that mean? Saya indirectly sent Kohata's problems to Mato by exposing the love-letter to everyone the school to see, to gossip about, and to reach her ears. Not to mention despite being in the very same basketball club as Mato.

And remember what Yuu said. If Saya didn't keep sending people close to Mato through a traumatic experience, there is no reason to believe that BRS would be destroying the world. What Mato worries about will inevitably lead BRS to "dealing with the situation".
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