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Old 2012-10-10, 02:57   Link #13
Rahan
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Originally Posted by Essenar View Post
Kakashi was surrounded by quite a few Blood Mist shinobi. Chances are, being outnumbered and Rin being the target and her capture most likely leading to some tragedy for the Hidden Leaf, Kakashi had no choice but to kill her himself.
She might have even asked him to do it.

Yeah, let's drop the Bloody Mist plotline ( Bloody Mist is named in this chapter. hence Yagura was already manipulated and Obito is not the long haired masked man unless Kishi completely lost it) and say this plotline has nothing to do with manipulation (although we now know for sure Obito was handpicked by Madara) and just give Rin magical power that the Mist wanted. And Kakashi killed her willingly just to not lose that bloodline. It's just a coincidence those ninjas were ordered by the long haired masked man. Maybe not directly like Yagura or Kisame, but at least indirectly.

What about ... no ?

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It's not necessarily a plot hole that Kakashi remembers none of this. Anyone that thinks it's easy to retain a good memory of you killing one of your best friends needs serious therapy or a wake up call. He passed out and likely had no idea what was going on.
I didn't say it was a plot hole, I said it was the degree zero of storytelling.

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Obito collaborating with Madara has nothing to do with him 'not facing the facts'. The facts are, the world is cruel and that cruel world led to Rin's death. Madara told Obito he dreams of a world without pain or suffering. This has more to do with Obito realizing there isn't 'blame' to be made for one person or one group of people but for the world of shinobi at all.
define : "I will never acknowledge this".

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If you think about it, it makes sense. What led to the Sand Village having a peaceful treaty with Leaf Village? The battle between Sand Village and Leaf Village which resulted in 3rd Hokage's death. What led to the Shinobi Alliance with even the Samurai coming out of neutrality to join the Shinobi Villages? Sasuke and Tobi's attack on the Kage Summit which ultimately resorted to Danzo's death. Obito is probably tired of a world where small victories are obtained at the loss of life.
So you are saying Obito is trying to remove all wars because wars lead to peace ?
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