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Originally Posted by Ushio the Omega
When did that happen? the Kyuubi fired one blast that the yondaime teleported away and then a second started when the yondaime teleported the kyuubi away.
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It's not direct evidence but just inference (hence I said subtle). So don't take it as gospel =)
Basically, when Kyuubi started to charge up the bijuu dama while Yondaime was away, the 3rd was going "Not again..." before slumping. I took this to imply that he was already wasted from stopping an earlier one.
As for Madara, at the very least, we know he was forced to use Rinnegan since he himself went "this is a bit too much".