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Originally Posted by garbage

she was not in the COMMAND TANK she was commanding the FLAG TANK. as i've said not enough info on that situation, so where the hell is Maho? if she's not then what the hell is she doing far away from the action? either way that would be a tactical blunder on her part (at least more than Miho's), certainly not enough to cast blame on anyone, (also command stays with Maho as they do have radio, and no indication that they were cut off)

Miho was the vice-commander, so we can assume that she's supposed to be able to take care of herself.

Originally Posted by garbage

angles, inclinations & elevations, impassibility would definitely be part of a military map, it's stupid to use just any regular map. in fact in the saunders match they were talking about elevations and such).

I doubt that their maps are to military standards since they're not actually in the military.

Originally Posted by garbage

but as i've said before Scouting is the main commanders responsibility, even if there were new things, the fact is the flag tank was there and Maho knows it, any new info could easily be referred to Maho by radio. So Maho definitely gave the OK for that situation, and may even be her command. the sitaution is not plainly Miho & company tring to advance beside a river on a narrow path. you don't even know why they are there, where they are coming from, or what they are trying to accomplish. are they trying to escape?, are they trying to attack? what?

The whys of their advance aren't that important. It's obvious that it could have been executed better. Going that route was risky to begin with, but it's much less so if it was properly scouted. Maho might not have known that because she wasn't there, so Miho should have taken the initiative in her absence.

Originally Posted by garbage

in fact in a three tank unit as they have there, and forced into a single line they were positioned properly. (just like what they did with the PzIV - 38T - STUGIII combi against saunders) with one tank guarding the flag tank in front & one at the back. since they were not sure (and we are not sure) if the enemy could come up from behind. It was mere bad luck that the first shot against the front tank caused it to slide into the river.

How can the tanks be positioned properly when they can't even maneuver?

Originally Posted by garbage

and then if you one of the tanks guarding Miho's flag tank leave them to scout ahead then you'd leave the flag open to either the front or the back. Maho should have sent one of the other Tanks for that task, way before Miho got there.

Exposing a Tiger I to the front isn't a big problem since it has a lot of armor protecting it. It can cover the scouting Pz. III with the big 88 in case someone does spring an ambush. While they were still on the near side of the path, the other Pz. III could look around for pursuers. We can be pretty sure Miho wasn't expecting any because if she was, she'd be unbuttoned and looking to the rear.

Originally Posted by garbage

*** an addition to the concern of what Maho's crew were doing after she left, I noticed that their turrent/Gun wasn't even pointing front. I guess they really just froze instead of returning fire.

They might have been trying to see where Miho ran off to.

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

I do not believe that sportifying martial arts means that martial arts are just sports indefinitely. Might sound elitist, but that is how I proceed with my training at all times. It's basically trivializing the philosophy of martial arts, which is the core of what makes a martial arts a martial arts.

Martial Arts are sports for all intents and purposes when they're used in competitions with rules.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Cut Miho some goddamned slack. She's a kid. She's not even 16. And at the end of the day, where the hell is Maho.

She split her command. The reason why isn't that important, but it probably has to do with protecting the flag tank while the main force tries to take out the Pravda flag tank. As reference, both Saunders and Ooarai split the flag tank away from the rest during their fight.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

The priciple of command is that the CO is responsible for any fuckups that happen, and lets the subordinates take the credit for sucess. Except it seems here that Black Forest's sucesses are attributable to Maho, while their loss is all Miho's fault.

They've won nine years in a row, and Maho could only have been part of the team for two of those years.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Personally, I doubt the idea even crossed her mind. And that's good. Because in that situation you shouldn't even be thinking about the match at all. Maybe, maybe she could have given a snap-order that could have saved the flag tank as she jumped out to help the others. But the fact that she didn't shows that she was thinking about exactly what she should have been thinking about in that situation: saving the people drowning. The match stopped mattering as soon as the Panzer III fell into the water. By leaving the match; by not even apparently thinking about the match from the moment she saw the tank fall; Miho was doing exactly the right thing.

I totally agree. At that point, it was no longer a competition.