View Single Post
Old 2012-02-25, 15:28   Link #7138
suikostar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sol Falling View Post
Akune explicitly pointed out that Medaka and Zenkichi were so serious about the fight that it would have been impossible to get in between them.



This simply reveals what you've been missing about this manga. The greater goal is obviously the Student Council's purpose of helping people pursue their dreams--you know, the reason Medaka set up her Medaka Box? Helping other people is the reason that the current Student Council exists. Yes, it would be perfectly reasonable for Kikaijima to say that that is more important than competing with each other over some internal conflict.



Medaka made friends with people like Akune, Miyakonojou and Kumagawa despite Zenkichi, not because of him. Zenkichi has nothing to do with Medaka's current friends--most of them started out as enemies, the exact people Zenkichi was trying to keep away from her. All Zenkichi has actually contributed to Medaka's life was her initial goal/mission old to help other people at two years old. However, that in itself is no different from how Medaka enabled Zenkichi to live for 13 years without changing his original optimistic, idealistic personality.

Could Zenkichi have lived a happy life without Medaka? Sure, possibly. He probably wouldn't have been able to meet someone like Kumagawa and declare "Life is a Plus" so confidently, but certainly, he could've achieved a normal level of happiness. In the same way, though, you cannot exactly say that the two year old Medaka before she met Zenkichi was "unhappy". If Medaka never learned to care about other people's emotions in the first place, why would she even care if she was ostracised for eternity?



The "type of person Kumagawa is" is someone who protects the weak. This is an inherent part of his character which was the specific reason he managed to inspire such loyalty from the Minuses. Kumagawa will never become less of a troll, but he has become a completely good and sympathetic character. Ever since Medaka convinced him that it was possible for Minuses to win, Kumagawa has stopped using his trolling to hurt other people and instead used it to try to win--both for his own sake, and also for the "weak" people whom Kumagawa is moved by empathy into protecting. This is what was revealed through Kumagawa's actions in the Treasure Hunt arc, and also the key behind Kumagawa's current participation in the Naked Apron Alliance.

If you can't identify or understand the positive aspects of Kumagawa's personality, then this simply shows that you have completely missed his character development.
About the Medaka made friends... now imagine what ould happen several times when Medaka was about to kill her former enemies and when Zenkichi and the other stoped her. Even though its not really pointed but i think the one who really stoped her at those moments is Zenkichi himslef, cuz its pointed few times in manga that he is clearly diferent kind of friend than the others. Best example was when the dude (forgot name) asked Medaka why the difference in treat of Zenkichi and Akune.

Another thing i wanted to say that all characters in the manga show development ,besides Medaka. Srsly reread the manga i couldnt tell u the diference betwen the current one and the one in chapter 1, while Zenkichi changed the most and especially in last chapters.

"he could've achieved a normal level of happiness." dude srsly there are no levels of happiness, its relative different for every1. As showed in manga the actually abnormals lack the happiness or in Medaka case i dont really think she ever experienced it. Without ever meating her Zenkichi could have probably achieved happines far easier than he is doin it now. Remember Zenkichi was not special, but under the normals he was elite, he could even gotten pro at boxin or other sports but he didnt cuz he wanted to devote himself to Medaaka and his love for her.And yea Zenkichi gave Medaka a reason tolive, its clearly pointed in the manga and that is far more than she has givven him in return , if she has given him anything.

Kumagawa...Well for me he is more the tragic character who somehow managed to change and ,as pointed in manga, is gettin happier and happier, which is of course a positive thing. But on other side Zenkichi is right too , cuz in real life u cant just forgive people for doin all those horrible things and act tomorow like it was nothing.But u know due to Kumagawa's personality nothing can suprise u from him...

The most puzling character of course stays Medaka and in some chapters she really behaved even worser than Kumagawa when he was the bad guy.She is neither good nor evil but something betwen.I just cant read her, even Najimu is somehow les complicated than her.
suikostar is offline   Reply With Quote