It is not my intention to annoy everyone, or force someone to back down (rarely do you see people back down in an online discussion), but to offer a voice from another perspective, and ultimately it's the rhetoric that matters, not the resignation of either party. So perhaps it would seem that some points are looping back to the beginning, but people can judge for themselves who is making the stronger case (or perhaps, neither).
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o, it's *not*. You only said the first part, that they're "never good", you adeed the second (striked out) part later, after me pointing out that this makes you sound preachy.
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"Having erotic fantasies is natural and not evil, but it is never good per se." <-- This is what I said.
Not evil. The word 'it' after the comma still refers to the same subject, which is 'having erotic fantasies'. So in short, this sentence means 'having erotic fantasies is natural and not evil and never good'.
A comma and a word 'it'. Seriously.
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If there's any relation whatsoever between erotic fantasies and farts, then it's only that of opposites: while erotic fantasies are healthy and pleasant, farts are ugly and unpleasant.
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There's a word called "pervert". And that describes whoever openly admits they're thinking of groping the girl standing next to them (if I understand correctly, you have no qualms about declaring it, because it's healthy, pleasant and not embarrassing, right?).
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Just because there are some self-proclamed "critics" today who don't have the tiniest clues about criticism and are in all reality nothing but dimwitted mudslingers, doesn't suddenly turn the prejudiced, derogatory comment of the father into criticism
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If whatever those so-called 'critics' say are considered 'criticism', so is what the father said. They are the same. In your eyes they're probably all unfounded, intentionally derogatory... But people still call that 'criticism'.
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That's nothing I'm assuming, that's how it is.
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Whereas my observation is based on what ep 3 told us, and that we can all agree with (he was condemning the incest game), yours (he was condemning all anime) is based on, let's see, "
You simply don't spend any time on anything you regard as worthless, and thus you don't know anything about it. Thus, for the father, anything that is somehow drawn or animated is all the same for him", your own theory about him. You do not know what the father knows, what media he's been following, what he's read about the subject (perhaps from those typical columns about societal declines and whatnot)... No definite conclusion could be made.
And that's the reason why you're just assuming things.
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The father didn't agree to his request, so that's alright already.
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If Kyousuke was asking the father to let her play R18 games, then yeah, he didn't agree to it.
If Kyousuke was asking the father to let Kirino keep her hobby, then the father partly agreed to it (her stuff minus the R18 stuff).
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the father's image of "daddy's little girl" was restored, and he was only angry at Kyousuke anymore
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Citation needed. As I said before, there is still the pic, and you're just repeating this theory (and jumping to baffling conclusions with it).
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If the father had continued to beat up Kyousuke, that would've meant that he still cared about him at least a bit and hoped that by beating him, he could get him back to normal.
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Your logic... astounds me. Ask anyone else.
Beating someone to get them back to normal, now there's a new cure for the mentally ill. Either that or whoever proposes it should be considered mentally ill.
The original point is : the father is supposed to be the old-fashioned type, Kyousuke threatened to beat him up, the father did not retaliate, or make a preach about filial piety (as would be expected in real life), or ground him up... He just said he understood what Kyousuke was trying to say. That means he is reasonable. You're making up the most unrealistic theories about why he said so, including that he was just pretending, so shocked he would promise anything (even though the father could do literally anything to Kyousuke, and an Asian father in real life would teach his son a lesson)...
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Suuure, the game is so totally exceedingly bad...
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Kyousuke was not trying to disprove the father's main point (which is either right or wrong). That is what I said. It's interesting to know what you think about incest and child porn, however.
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Right after we finally *did* draw a final conclusion, namely that there is *no connection*, which you even repeated two times, you suddenly go into the opposite direction again and claim that there's no definite conclusion and all that.
What was that again with the "attention span of a goldfish"? Might be fitting there
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Your results are good. You can not draw any definite conclusion about whether your method was good or not.
Or, in simple English, you don't know whether your method was good or not.
Your results are good. There's no connection between the results and whether your method was good or not.
Thus you can not make a conclusion about whether your method was good or not. Or, in simple English, you don't know whether your method was good or not.
'you can not draw any definite conclusion at all' <-- this refers to the questions RIGHT before it. ' if your results are good, does it mean your method was ?'. What is the answer ? Yes ? No ? No conclusion.
If you're referring to the argument (that Kirino's grades are so good means the games aren't bad/worthless/(adj) after all), we've already reached the conclusion that it is crappy, that you can not draw any conclusion about whether your method was good or not.
You can't even read the question standing right next to it. Color me speechless.
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Besides, declaring yourself as "the room" and everyone else who has a different opinion as "the last person left" is very egomanic
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Perhaps so, I probably gave too much authority to what I consider 'common sense' and forgot that everyone has their own version of 'common sense'. It would seem you have to ask others and see what they think.
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In case you can't read Japanese, which wouldn't surprise me... you do know how to use a search engine and look up the Japanese rating of eroge?
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I am so ignorant, please enlighten me on what R18 means in Japan.
Thanks to my limited Google-fu and pages such as
this (which is horrendously off the mark, I know, it's a game, not a movie) and my life experiences (movies, games, comics, works of art... that are labeled R18) I believe that R18 means Kirino's not supposed to play it. There may be fines, jail time, capital punishment (ok this one's a joke)... depending on where you live, is this wrong ? But one thing I'm certain about is that Kirino's not supposed to play it. I am waiting for your divine knowledge on whether this is wrong or not.
And if I am right, I'm interested in why you made a fuss over the original point (that Kirino is not supposed to play it, the father is justified to prevent her from playing them), and even went to great lengths to give me 2 links to 2 wikipedia pages in Japanese. One of which's beginning sentence is that people under 18 years of age are prohibited from purchasing adult games.
I am waiting for your divine knowledge, be as detailed as you want. People do have a tendency to disagree with each other, but if you've always believed R18 means Kirino's not supposed to play it all along (my point) and yet tried to enlighten me on how different things are in Japan and how wrong I was, well... I'll stop responding (because someone who makes a fuss and tries to tell you it's different even though his point is the same will ALWAYS find something to disagree with) and consider you legendary, for all the wrong reasons.