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Old 2012-01-05, 05:06   Link #62
Thess
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Originally Posted by SJCrew View Post
I'm not sure which day and age you live in, but conquests for world domination without consent of its people is definitely a flaw. Great guy at heart, but his goal is a narcissistic one and doomed to failure.

Alexander the Great is no more. All that's left is the character Rider, who still thinks that the world is his for the taking, even in a day and age where there are many established cultures and governing bodies that have no need of another ruler. There's probably a different word for the kind of character he is, but I'm bordering on 'dense' with a side of 'foolish'.
Chivalry is looong dead too. Your point is?

Anyway, way to completely misunderstand the character and what he thinks as conquest (to master without humiliation, to defeat without destruction. That is conquest for Rider). Read the novels, protip: all his followers were willing, all those countries he conquered ruled themselves while he kept on moving to the east. It's not 100% clear in the anime, although most people actually get the right idea. His goal is to be alive again. As Waver lays it down:

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This man merely possessed a charisma that was overwhelming and incomparable with other mortals – so great was it that even those majestic and elite armies who worshiped him, believed in him like a god, and could even give their lives to him.

At the end, Waver had to admit – those who mocked the King of Conquerors’s wish as a boring wish are the foolish ones who merely dragged their bodies along from day to day, and spend their life away on nothing.
Pity we don't get those insights (this was during their conversation that episode 13 adapted). Including the detailed dream Waver saw: how those countries leaders and warriors he had defeated before leaving them, abandoned everything to follow him and swearing loyalty to him, because he awoken in their hearts an illusion they had thrown away. The reason why Saber was so emo and envious was because he pretty much accomplished what she wanted but couldn't: flawless cooperation with his people. And he did it without any of her thorny path sacrifices.

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Originally Posted by Terminator98 View Post
That's why he said that "a stupid servant such as him deserved a stupid master" to Waver. He seems to be very conscious of his own foolishness.
Yep, this too. Rider's pretty idealistic like Arturia, just a different set of ideals.
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