[Gotta Be Black]

Originally Posted by Matt122005

I think I just realized what "That Guy", "The Shadow", and "Yuni" are.

Spoiler for BIG THEORETICAL ENDING SPOILERS:

Okay, so I was having some trouble trying to piece together the unfinished plot and such. I spent some time reading different TIPS from R11 and also reading a discussion on the ending at the translator wiki.

Why all the religion in the story? It had to mean something. I also didn't like the idea of The Shadow and That Guy being one person. It didn't seem to fit.

Then there was the fact that Yuni is more than he lets on. Though we never learn more, its obvious that he's hiding something.

But now, after reading the TIP on That Guy, and reviewing the story, I understand what these three might be.

First off, we must enter this hypothesis under the understanding that the director has approached the religious mythology of this story as Christian. We can gain this by the symbolism of the Trinity, mentioning of Virgin Mary, etc.

I had already guessed that GOD was probably "That Guy" earlier, but now I'm nearly sure of it. In the TIP for That Guy, it says that he is .....



God exists outside of time, because he created the very concept of it. God IS absolute will. His mere words created the Universe as recorded in Genesis.

To confirm that "That Guy" is God, it relates him to David.

If you are Christian, you will know that David plays an important role in the future of Jesus. It is through his seed and lineage that God's son comes to be. Jesus is referred to as the son of David as well.

So when you realize that "That Guy" is God, it makes sense why Kokoro and Satoru kept making statements throughout the game such as "Could someone be guiding this all?" "Is this all coincidence?"

Remember how Enomoto (Really Satoru) mentions that the plane crash cabin survivors weren't apart of the plan. In fact, everything had gone different than they thought.

At the end of the game, we see Enomoto angry at "That Guy" for interfering. He's angry because God is interfering in the Infinity loop and is trying to correct reality.

Then who is "The Shadow" and ultimately, "the enemy - Saul".



This enemy of God would be some random fallen Demon, or perhaps Lucifer?

Perhaps a better explanation would be that "The Shadow" is 'sin' itself.

The question "Where is self?" leads me to believe it might be.

Sin is selfishness. Sin is the result of looking at self for the answers.

Now...who is Yuni?

The Yuni on the plane and in 2012 is the real one. But the Yuni FROM 2012....well, something isn't right. Don't you agree?

He just HAPPENS to learn EVERYTHING about the events? He just happens to stay in control? He just happens to know the EXACT times they will have an exchange phenomenon. How could he even know that if he's not there to see exactly when something happens?

Then there's the fact that he's creepy. Some of his CG's at the cabin are weird. And he reacts strangely.

I believe that just maybe, Yuni is a dimensional being. Think about it. What if Yuni is like BW?

Or, or, maybe Yuni from 2012 is "The Shadow" itself and its trying to keep the loop going on in order to fight against "That Guy"?

What do you guys think? I mean, I doubt all that religious stuff was included in the story for no reason. The director obviously was going to tie it all together in some way.

We still don't know how the story ends, but now with this hypothesis, maybe we can figure out some of the mythology that was being created.

This is my own theory about the "shadow", "bible" thing that Matt mentioned... I don't know if anyone said these before because I only read the 1st page.
NOTE: I just got Satoru Chapter Epilogue, I don't have most of the bad ends, my TIPS is incomplete, I didn't read any wiki or discussion about the ending, I haven't play any other Infinite series vn yet.

Spoiler for My opinions and deductions:

These are from the op

Once, life was born from nothingness.
The twins born from the same axis share a mysterious destiny.
They chase endlessly in search of their lost halves.
Exceeding light...
Exceeding infinity...
A pair as a whole. Or possibly, a middle ground.
A man and a woman. A shadow that dropped her mask. A great mother by the side of a wise old man. A hero playing as a fool. Red and blue. What's in between.
The one who holds everything. The one who is everything and is nothing. The Trinity. Neither a god nor a demon.
Where is... That Guy?

Fuyukawa Kokoro - Anima
Mayuzumi Lin - Persona
Yomogi Seiji - Old Wise Man
Utsumi Kali - Great Mother
Inubushi Keiko - Shadow
Yukidoh Satoru - Animus
Kusuda Yuni - Trickster

Now about these "Anima" "Shadow" ect. they are actually Jugian archetypes, some sort of primordail images or whatever that made up our personality.
Suppose we view Kokoro & Satoru as one being, Kokoro is Anima(feminine within male) and Satoru is Animus(masculine within female)
Mayuzumi Lin is Persona(a mask made to hide true self in society) because she wanted to meet her "Yukidoh Satoru" no matter what and she made herself looks like shes tough but actually it is all she could do not to fall apart(remember shes like crazy when Yomogi just found her?)
I don't have to explain Old Wise Man and Great Mother right?
Inubushi Keiko is shadow(a trait within you that you don't wanted) because within her lurks a murderous personality which she might rejects
Kusuda Yuni is Trickster(use tricks on others to get to his purpose) he hide his knowledge in order to make sure history repeats correctly(that is if the real history is the same that we gone through)

ok now the opening...
the opening first distract us(or rather, don't want to confuse us just yet) by saying "The twins" "The pair as a whole" suggesting that there is only 2 person that is in this "transfer" phenomenon
I think "A man and a woman" refers to Satoru and Kokoro.
"A shadow that dropped her mask" I'm not very sure yet... maybe her true intentions shown in the ending?
"A great mother by the side of a wise old man" needless to say is Utsumi and Yomogi
"A hero playing as a fool" refers to Yuni. His archetype "Trickster" is also known as a fool. It is later revealed that he tricked Kokoro and Satoru to ensure that everyone is saved(in other word, a hero)
"Red and Blue" is maybe Satoru and Kokoro (from the chinese proverb[?] sekijukansei, red accepts blue entirely)
"What's in between" might be a hint that something is between "Red" and "Blue"
Then, it mentioned "The Trinity" and said "Neither a god nor a demon" so its not the christian's god Trinity stuff... I believe the Trinity is Kokoro, Satoru and Utsumi's baby(i guess u guys deduced that the 3rd personality is her baby right?)
unfortunately i haven't be able to find out who is "That Guy" yet... Is he god? I don't know... well Enomoto(or whoever he really is) did say that Satoru's memory is transplanted from "That Guy"... so he couldn't be god? hmm... I don't really know...
"the Shadow" is not "Saul" or Yuni thats for sure...

As for Inubushi Keiko and Suzukage Hotori... this is what I think of...
Satoru --- Keiko
Kokoro --- Hotori
*Utsumi's baby --- Keiko/Hotori/Utsumi's another baby
(*not enough evidence...)
1st its Hotori in Keiko's body. after that, Keiko thinks that she could get out of SPHIA by acting a Hotori after discovering Hotori's body... after a few more transfer, Hotori probably died on Mount Akakura and Keiko acted as Hotori all this time... After they got out(in the ending), she showed her true intention(where my theory of "A shadow that dropped her mask" came from)
But then there's so many holes and not enough truth... hmm...
**there is a possibility that Utsumi's another baby got into Inubushi's body... Hotori said she was "trapped" in a "red room"... The feeling one felt in Utsumi could be different based on Kokoro said its pleasant and Satoru said its painful(for the first time at least)

Oh and the Laplace's Demon... the Laplace's Demon didn't literally means a evil spirit kind of demon, but rather a device or entity that know every information of every thing, which means this Laplace guy thinks that everything in this world is predetermined.

Again I have to repeat this is just my personal opinion and deduction...
I haven't gotten all the bad ends and TIPS...
I read about the Jungian Archetypes from before I finish the game(from Wikipedia not from TIPS)