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Old 2010-02-13, 02:34   Link #6076
Kamui4356
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Originally Posted by justinstrife View Post
Depends on what state you are in and it's laws. One thing you need to know, is the Supreme Court has already ruled that law enforcement is not there to protect you. You are still responsible for protecting yourself. America has always been about personal responsibility and personal freedom. I would be and feel, far safer having that right to carry a gun and be able to defend myself, or someone else with it, than not be able to.
Now, it really doesn't depend on the state when the guy who would have just robbed you decides instead to shoot you in the head when he sees you pulling out your gun to fight back. Sure, he might have just shot you in the head anyway, but you're only giving him more reason to. Saying that "cops aren't there to protect you" and "personal responsibility fuck yeah" are not in fact counter arguments to what I claimed. Whether you feel safer doesn't mean you actually are safer either.

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It's not guns that kill people. It's people that kill people. Guns are merely a tool. They could also use bats, knives, hammers, or even cars. It is nothing more than a tool and what it does, is decided by the user.
How is this relevant? One person decided to use that tool to kill people. Not to mention it's a false analogy. Guns are designed with one thing in mind, killing stuff. Out of those four things you listed, only one has killing stuff as a design goal, and even that one it's not high on the list.

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All the reasons you listed for the 2nd Amendment is all well and good, but they are not the only reasons why it exists. There is another.
Please don't say it's to use against the government if they go all oppressive. If by some chance the government did go all oppressive there is nothing a private citizen who isn't Bill Gates can afford that would allow said private citizens to do anything about those aircraft flying higher than they can see dropping GPS guided bombs on their head. If you want to fight back and not be killed instantly, you'll be relying on what foreign governments, or sympathetic factions in your own now oppressive government, can supply your resistance group with. At that point it really doesn't matter if you can legally own a gun or not, now does it?

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Originally Posted by iLney View Post
Banning guns only prevent lawful citizens from defending themselves (+ placebo effect for some, but most of our laws atm are for "placebo people," so what the heck ). It doesn't prevent a psycho from killing people.
Most of these psychos turn out to have bought the gun legally or have stolen it from someone who did.
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