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Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Not gonna discuss further the looks of Cypha's blatantly obvious energy slash attack with you since there's no point in keep pointing the obvious truth.

Repeating things and claiming it's an obvious truth doesn't make it so. This may essentially become a pissing contest but I'll continue this. You refuse to actually address what I'm saying and continue to do the same things I'm accusing you of - you're repeating your arguments ad nauseam, proclaiming your interpretation of visual effect (you are adding nothing factual to it, meaning you have nothing to stand on to present this as truth) as an obvious truth - I present examples of that same visual effect contrary to what you're trying to appeal and somehow your case is stronger than mine when yours has no logical basis behind it? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

As i've mentioned before i have Cypha's all other slashes as comparision point and no one else looks like that, in fact, it looks more similar to the bombardment attck she used on Agito xDU(there's even a circular aura around her sword at the moment you can't get more obvious than that xDU).

Either you're lying or you can't see well - this in no way resembles that, she has no aura around her.

There are two cases where Cypha has had an aura surrounding here and this is in her first fight with Signum after reacting - slashing Signum (chapter 7, page 25) and shooting Agito (chapter 7, page 26). No such thing is on Cypha when she cuts the iceberg (this is a fact), why are you drawing comparison between them? You cannot present this as evidence of a truth.

The drawn arc (the thing that is seemingly attached to her sword) is what looks similar to what I presented. If you were actually referring to the giant white shit, that looks nothing like the only confirmed bombardment attack we see from Cypha.

Look at the dynamic of the examples you posted and go look back to Cypha's attack on the iceber ...even the closest example (Armorized Deville swinging his weapon against Fate) fails to replicate the effect depicted on that page.

You're talking about the giant white shit behind Cypha? Here's one thing, Cypha slashed the iceberg and that white space is where the iceberg would be occupied (this cannot be argued against because where else would it be?), but Cypha couldn't even be that realistically big in comparison to the iceberg. This was even big in comparison to Esquad, which dwarfed the TSAB warship they had at the time. If you're claiming this was a byproduct of what you believe Cypha did here, I can just as easily say that's simply a way to showcase the destruction of the iceberg and depicting the scene. It's artist license, this cannot be used as it as evidence of what you're claiming without something substantial. You've yet to do so.

I guess we reached the point where it's useless to keep discussing this particular point since i believe firmly in my evidence and you keep refusing it so move on.

I'll continue on because I believe you're wrong in your assumptions.

As for the mountain the very image depic several chunks of ice, not ony one.

I have never said there was only one. Do not make things up or attack imagined things you believe I said. You have no evidence of particularly large chunks of the iceberg being left, no evidence of a magic ring being there, no evidence of the things in your quote below entirely:

by the way the casting was still ongoing because there was a ring of magic around the iceberg when Cypha attacked and, oh yeah, the entire thing was still floating in the air

Hayate marked the finish of her casting and specifically conjured it to deter the Esquad into surrender but clearly had the ability to launch it or not, she was keeping it afloat with her magic as we can see it being done. It being a ring of magic around the iceberg when Cypha doesn't mean the casting was still ongoing as we have direct evidence says otherwise, whereas you're basing your belief on nothing. Another thing is after Hayate is stabbed, the second iceberg collapses entirely and the casting was done. There's no evidence the iceberg was still floating in the air after her attack, we do not see it in intact - the only size we can confirm here are the shreds of ices shown here and Cypha boasts (unless we're assuming she's a blithering idiot that missed a giant iceberg still being intact). You're building assumptions on assumptions and calling it an argument here.

We're bouncing back again to our previous discussion, physical strenght and magic enhace attacks aren't the same.

I presented examples of non "magically enhanced" attacks, you can't just dismiss them. Here's one I didn't mention and something that can't be denied:

Signum was able to break through Fate's barrier in A's (episode 2) with a single sword swing. This instance was just a swing, nothing more. How strong is that exactly? Fate was able to block Nanoha's Divine Buster with her Round Shield, one of the most basic defensive spells (claiming that it wasn't as sturdy as a Round Shield would be faulty), and the shield itself was still intact, not being destroyed by the blast. Signum broke through Fate's barrier entirely with a single sword wing. That dictates Signum's melee strike was that incredibly powerful and Fate is later shown in the episode to being able to at least contend with Signum in melee. You cannot contradict me, that's just me retelling events and accepting what's shown. A plain sword swing was shown not being able break Bardiche when Signum first arrives and also immediately after Signum breaks through her barrier with the plain old sword swing.

Another demonstration of physical might is by Reinforce breaking through Nanoha's round shield with a single punch. This was not a "magically enhanced" attack, she followed up with one, though - Schwarze Wirkung. Nanoha blocked it, holding up her device and was pretty much only knocked into the water without taking damage. Another thing to note is Nanoha's ability to physically clash with Reinforce. Although of course Reinforce is still more powerful, that's impressive.

Vita also lifted up something enormously big in comparison to the Defense System and it was also made of iron, adding to its weight (much more dense than rock), this is also a feat of lifting strength that can't be dismissed. Vita is not the physically strongest character.

Nanoha under a limiter was able to freely catch stop and catch both Subaru's and Teana's attacks with her hands. She was the equivalent of an AA Rank mage, but this only serves to prove a mage's simple strength is not to be overlooked.

Fate produces a shock wave with her swing. The physical act of swinging causes it. This shock wave was bigger than the Defense System itself - on virtue of size alone, this has to have incredibly force behind it.

Nanoha is just barely stronger than a well trained woman her age and size, otherwise she would be able to bend steel bars with her bare hands, something i really doubt she could pull off.

Argument from ignorance fallacy, just because you aren't aware of something doesn't mean proof doesn't exist. This doesn't pass for logical reasoning, this is just personal belief. Attempt to dismiss what I said above this quote.

Cypha's body is indeed strenghed by the conditions of the EC virus (to the point of breaking Signum's Gladiator Shield with her bare fingers) but even with that level of strenght is unplusible for her to cut a mountain to pieces with her strenght alone, it was an EC-powered attack, not just a mere "slash".

The same fallacy as above. "This is not plausible to me, therefore it had to be this and had to be that." That's what you're saying. You're not even using anything substantial to support this belief. How is this a proper argument?

Keroko is right about the cyborgs, while most of them are certainly weaker than the main cast powerwise they're far stronger than most of them physically speaking thanks to their bionic enhacements. Dieci will own Nanoha on a wrestling match with a hand tied on her back xD

Think whatever you please, but at least make a case. Evidence says Nanoha would back hand her. Of course, this is using magic. Fighting without the use of anything, Dieci is stronger than Nanoha because Nanoha's physical strength as a mage comes from magic and she's only a regular human for the most part without it.