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Old 2012-12-22, 18:17   Link #940
james0246
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Originally Posted by kyp275 View Post
Oversimplification. What's the layout? is it outdoor? or indoor? in a school or a mall? is it in a room or a corridor? how big is the room? how many people are present? What''s the mix of people present - children? teen? adult?

More importantly, how many weapons does the shooter have? how is his proficiency at reloading his weapons?
I found this to be a little silly. We do not always create laws for the most specific details imaginable. We often create laws based on generalized bad things that are happening in society as a whole. Consequently, questioning the position of the targets/victims, the layout of different venues, and other overly complicated CSI silliness has absolutely nothing to do with creating laws (and frankly, such over-specification can seldom be used in the creation of basic laws). Instead of actually addressing Kaijo's point, you've completely walked around it.

Here is the basic argument you should use: The fact of the matter is, unless everyone is carrying the exact same guns, ammo/clip size, etc then there will always exist an "unfair" advantage for one side or the other. There are only two ways of making this "fair", both sides have smaller clips or both sides have larger clips. Since there is no perfect 100% successful way to actually prevent a criminal from obtaining the larger clip, the only "fair" option is to make sure the larger clip is available for everyone (you can, of course, argue the percents on this issue, because maybe there would be a significant enough drop in large scale gun violence if larger clips were banned, but there is no real data to support this one way or another, so we have to keep everything at an arm chair level of supposition).

This doesn't validate the use of guns or larger clip sizes, but it does provide a greater degree of potential protection that balances out the potential aggression (of an insane gunmen gunperson ), consequently it creates a degree of less harm than an outright ban would. (edit: Note, laws are not designed to make things "fair", but rather to eliminate the most harm.)

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@ GundamFan: I find it funny that Missouri and Louisiana have the smaller percentage of gang-related activity, yet they are amongst the worst for murders (based on population), and when you break down the diversity, Missouri has less diversity, yet still lots of murders. Just what is going on In Missouri that it is so bat shit insane? .

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