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otacu · 2006-06-02, 03:54

Yes, Gundam isn't exactly a realistic anime to begin with. I mean ... since the times of Amuro piloting the very first gundam after reading a manual for a couple of minutes you know that you will have to accept some things as granted... and it's sci-fi after all. I won't question the realism of gundams or how the weapons work or even why did those CE characters survive many times in those absurd situation (the silliest ever was Kira surviving the explosion of the Freedom). I mean you can always come up with crazy explanation like: he ejected in time(?), ther was a protection(?and those huge explosion?), or something else...
Let's discuss about the very definition of Plot hole character or “out of convenience character”: Lacus Clyne. Not only during the series she does act in very convenient but “questionable” ways but her very existance is “out of convenience”. She is the unrealistic perfect and allmighty politician.

Credibility
In GS she was 16 years old. I mean 16 years old. Now try to imagine a 16 years old going to CNN and speak to the world about serious matters as peace, war and international relations. Done? Now, stop laughing frantically and add the fact she is a popular pop-singer. Imagine Britney Spears going to CNN to speak. I'm not saying it's stupid because she says stupid things.... it's stupid because she is 16 years old. Would you follow the ideals and vote for a 16 years old? I mean: you can respect and be a fn of a great 16 years old sportman, super-bike driver, chess-champion, genious mathematician, singer, soldier but ... a 16 years older politician? No, of course: a 16 years old politician lacks credibility. It's not a matter of being a good or a bad politician: it's just impossible to have the credibility to begin with.

Experience
So Lacus is 16 years old but for some misterious reason she already knows how the world works and how to act as the perfect (not just an average or good... but the best!) politician. Now we all know that being a politician is not something that you learn from books or that you learn at school: what is needed is experience. There are no geniuses in politics as in other fields. You can be at age 16 a genious at chess, a top-class programmer, a top-class football player, and with some stretches even a top class fighter (in WWII a couple of years were more than enought to have veterans).... but not a perfect politician. In an era when war is helped by computers to look like a a videogame it's not SO strange to have pilot so young and so powerful (and it's still strange) but the case of Lacus is just impossible. Lacus was already perfect and experienced in GS. How is it even possible? She is 16 years old.... politicians need years and decades of experience to go to the top but she already had the skill from the start. It's magic not even sci-fi. This unearthly and unrealistic perfection had two results: fans who workship her for her perfection and at the same time the most static and flat character of all the “main cast” of GS.

Resources
I mean: where does she get the funds to make the Clyne faction work? Huge amounts of money and other goods are necessary... the Clyne faction wasn't a high school club.... it was a faction with battleships and the most powerful ever gundams created. As strange it may sounds (and it wasn't explained in GS or GSD) it's still plausible that some rich people or corporation was giving her money.... something like a Zaft's Logos (he he he). But still it's just impossible to completely fool ZAFT in hiding something as huge as Eternal.... or SF and IJ. And even if you accept the highly improbable but still plausible bottomless funds that aided Lacus how was she even able to produce SF and IJ? SF and IJ are not some kind of zaku that you can assemble one way or another: they are the most powerful prototypes ever created that of course needed huge resources, time and top-class engineers, top class workers and top class industrial equipments. How was Lacus able to do this and not Zaft know this? Again mistery.

Fortuneteller or Seer
I mean she always does the right thing when needed and without actual knowledge of the situation. In GS Kira was delivered to her by the priest? Why? She then entrusted Freedom (not some random Ginn) to Kira without knowing who he was and what was he going to do. In GSD she sent Dacosta to retrieve Destiny plans from Mendel colony... how did she know the plan was there? During the entire series she just gives orders that thanks to plot hole are always right in the end.

This whole thread is not a "hate" thread. It's just a thread to point out who Lacus was: a Plot Hole Character. And she is always right. She is the one who makes the whole plot of CE works one way or another. She is completely unrealistic and idealistic we just have to accept her as for what she is. After that we can like or dislike her.

2006-06-02, 03:54	Link #1
otacu Flag forever Join Date: Dec 2005	Lacus Clyne... the Plot Hole Character Yes, Gundam isn't exactly a realistic anime to begin with. I mean ... since the times of Amuro piloting the very first gundam after reading a manual for a couple of minutes you know that you will have to accept some things as granted... and it's sci-fi after all. I won't question the realism of gundams or how the weapons work or even why did those CE characters survive many times in those absurd situation (the silliest ever was Kira surviving the explosion of the Freedom). I mean you can always come up with crazy explanation like: he ejected in time(?), ther was a protection(?and those huge explosion?), or something else... Let's discuss about the very definition of Plot hole character or “out of convenience character”: Lacus Clyne. Not only during the series she does act in very convenient but “questionable” ways but her very existance is “out of convenience”. She is the unrealistic perfect and allmighty politician. Credibility In GS she was 16 years old. I mean 16 years old. Now try to imagine a 16 years old going to CNN and speak to the world about serious matters as peace, war and international relations. Done? Now, stop laughing frantically and add the fact she is a popular pop-singer. Imagine Britney Spears going to CNN to speak. I'm not saying it's stupid because she says stupid things.... it's stupid because she is 16 years old. Would you follow the ideals and vote for a 16 years old? I mean: you can respect and be a fn of a great 16 years old sportman, super-bike driver, chess-champion, genious mathematician, singer, soldier but ... a 16 years older politician? No, of course: a 16 years old politician lacks credibility. It's not a matter of being a good or a bad politician: it's just impossible to have the credibility to begin with. Experience So Lacus is 16 years old but for some misterious reason she already knows how the world works and how to act as the perfect (not just an average or good... but the best!) politician. Now we all know that being a politician is not something that you learn from books or that you learn at school: what is needed is experience. There are no geniuses in politics as in other fields. You can be at age 16 a genious at chess, a top-class programmer, a top-class football player, and with some stretches even a top class fighter (in WWII a couple of years were more than enought to have veterans).... but not a perfect politician. In an era when war is helped by computers to look like a a videogame it's not SO strange to have pilot so young and so powerful (and it's still strange) but the case of Lacus is just impossible. Lacus was already perfect and experienced in GS. How is it even possible? She is 16 years old.... politicians need years and decades of experience to go to the top but she already had the skill from the start. It's magic not even sci-fi. This unearthly and unrealistic perfection had two results: fans who workship her for her perfection and at the same time the most static and flat character of all the “main cast” of GS. Resources I mean: where does she get the funds to make the Clyne faction work? Huge amounts of money and other goods are necessary... the Clyne faction wasn't a high school club.... it was a faction with battleships and the most powerful ever gundams created. As strange it may sounds (and it wasn't explained in GS or GSD) it's still plausible that some rich people or corporation was giving her money.... something like a Zaft's Logos (he he he). But still it's just impossible to completely fool ZAFT in hiding something as huge as Eternal.... or SF and IJ. And even if you accept the highly improbable but still plausible bottomless funds that aided Lacus how was she even able to produce SF and IJ? SF and IJ are not some kind of zaku that you can assemble one way or another: they are the most powerful prototypes ever created that of course needed huge resources, time and top-class engineers, top class workers and top class industrial equipments. How was Lacus able to do this and not Zaft know this? Again mistery. Fortuneteller or Seer I mean she always does the right thing when needed and without actual knowledge of the situation. In GS Kira was delivered to her by the priest? Why? She then entrusted Freedom (not some random Ginn) to Kira without knowing who he was and what was he going to do. In GSD she sent Dacosta to retrieve Destiny plans from Mendel colony... how did she know the plan was there? During the entire series she just gives orders that thanks to plot hole are always right in the end. This whole thread is not a "hate" thread. It's just a thread to point out who Lacus was: a Plot Hole Character. And she is always right. She is the one who makes the whole plot of CE works one way or another. She is completely unrealistic and idealistic we just have to accept her as for what she is. After that we can like or dislike her.