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Old 2013-08-12, 20:11   Link #37
Shadow5YA
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You can be very methodical without being particularly scientific. The way the Catholic church goes about selecting a new Pope is highly complex and methodical. But I doubt many would call it "scientific". "Scientific" implies more than just "complex and methodical", imo.
The election process for the Pope (or any government official in general) is not scientific because the candidates in question are not elected based on some fundamental world law that can clearly define them as worthy but the judgments of a group of people.

The magic in the Nasuverse on the other hand is limited by many factors: the starting "energy level" of the initiator, the energy required to make what they want to happen, happen, and the pathway/mechanism to make something happen which in turn affects how much energy is needed.
That is very similar to a chemical reaction, which depends on the amount of energy already in the system, the process by which the reaction proceeds in order to form the desired product, and the amount of energy needed to get past the activation barrier for the reaction to happen.


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Someone should tell Gilgamesh that.
Gilgamesh lost.


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It was partly humorous, but it was also pointing out how the strength of one's imagination is very important to being a good magic-user.

It's a very basic description that anybody can understand. And it's much more like art than like science. Calling it a "technical description" is making it out to be much more complex than it actually is.
Of course, but I'm merely stating that magic, especially Nasuverse magic has its limitations based on the world's principles... or at least Nasu's idea of the metaphysical world.

It's not something that is proportional to willpower alone. If that was the case, then Rin and Luvia should be able to take out the Class cards more easily than Ilya and Miyu, even without the Kaleidosticks. They also should be able to access the mirror world without the sticks.


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Because personalized human flight (at least the way Illya does it) does not conform to science.

Because jumping from one platform to another does conform to science.
The problem is that it's not as simple as "wish it and it will happen", because in that case people like Shirou and Archer should be able to trace a perfect copy of divine weapons like Excalibur and Ea with no problems. Miyu also shouldn't need Gae Bolg for a sure kill. Why can't she or Ilya just imagine their enemies getting obliterated and have it happen right then and there?

The fact of the matter is that even if all Ilya needs to do is "think" to fly, it's because Ruby was created and designed to take care most of the legwork required to make it happen. It's no different from Shirou doing what he did in Heaven's Feel thanks to Archer's arm.



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When it comes to mana use. But I would argue that Ilya's method is better overall because it's smoother, more versatile, and potentially faster (flight speed tends to be faster than running speed or jumping speed).
Floating in midair also means the person has no footing needed to put your weight behind melee attacks and defense.
That's merely your preference to fly over air walking.
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