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Old 2012-01-29, 07:53   Link #3011
winter45
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Hey bud just gonna dissect some of your recent posts.

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
If Yuna is just one of five representatives, then where is the elected assembly and the other 4 representatives when he make that stupid decision like saying Djibril is not in ORB through national broadcast? If those other men-in-power actually approved of what he has done (which contrary to the high-ranking military officers), then ORBís government is truly messed-up or just poorly written. .
We can only *assume* since there has been a few minor scenes where the council are meeting around a table that these decisions as a body happens. Problem i find that with Yuna making the calls without council foreshadowing it can easily be interpreted that his is making the SOLE decisions. So ill just scratch it as bad writing.

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
They canít even control a single representative from blabbering nonsense to the international world while (he said that he was) representing ORB (the whole country).
Just to clarify.. Being the representative isnt a position of absolute final decision making. His just the voice of the council. Now i could go for a far stretch as leader of the military without knowing the extent of his authority he may be able to make such decisions without the consultation of the rest of the council. But cannot confirm this due to no knowledge of what powers he has under his position of leadership in the military criteria.

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
Yup, that ORB is so messed-up the government allowed or gave a guy such as Yuna opportunities to make the most important decisions while representing the whole country which also the writer's fault since he/she failed to give us a stable, just, and orderly government that represent the long prosperity and advancement in ORB.
I think the word stable could be replaced with structure. Without understanding orbs structure in thorough detail it is difficult to point out where restrictions of the council on individual basis has its limits of autonomy. Hence there is alot of confusion in regards to ORBS leadership that we have to point the dots together and make educated guesses that fits the scenario with the final product. But clearly ORB is stable in the sense that there is no political aggression between the council members which further is shown that the populace are content with the current leadership direction.

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
Yet, in the show, we are shown that she was so indecisive those representatives can just bypass her authority and make their own decision whenever they feel the need to..
I personally think she was out-voted. Remember alot of izumi ideals supporters died with him in SEED so who knows what obstacles was left behind for cagalli to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
One obvious example of that would be the ORBís alliance with the EA. What kind of stable government is that?.
Just another example of cagalli either being outvoted or fell under pressure.

Just a question are you having problem with stability or ORB leadership breaking izumi ideals of neutrality?


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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
If thatís how things work since the rebuilding period of ORB, then Cagalliís kidnapping wouldnít make such a dent in ORBís government would it? .
Cagalli kidnapping wouldn't make a dent. But at the same time she should of returned to her post as an government official and fight in the political arena against the alliance treaty.


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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
Yet, ORB is deteriorating so fast after Cagalli left (the military are often in clash with the government, ORB protecting the mother of all terrorrist, Yuna in charge, etc). Itís just not a very good scenario, really..
ORB was fine for the most part of DESTINY. Orb had problems when EA was getting it ass kicked in all out defeat while zaft was closing in the envelope. But to be fair that situation would of happen to any nation or affiliation who is losing a war. People can easily make stupid decisions when under extreme pressure. But for the sake of plot and story they had to throw in these *obstacles* to paveway for cagallis eventual return as the rightful leader of orb

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor View Post
Like I said before, the script is flawed when it deals with governmental issues and details.
A point ive been saying for years and glad im not the only one.

Last edited by winter45; 2012-01-29 at 08:11. Reason: added more
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