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Old 2012-08-31, 05:06   Link #30271
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
So you're claiming your argument is based on a logical fallacy....
But exactly how my argument is a circular logic? I think you don't quite grasp the concept of "circular logic".
No. You don't grasp the breadth of it.

Normally we can take things as they are presented in a movie or novel at face value and treat them as something true outside of logic: In other words, we can treat what we are shown as "self-attesting" truth. In Umineko there is so much unresolved unreliable narration that we can't do that. We have no self-attesting truths, so the foundation of any argument made about Umineko must start with an assumption. It's basically the brain in a vat scenario.

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight View Post
Welcome to Umineko, where we literally have no facts.

It sucks, huh?
Yep. That pretty much sums it up.

Originally Posted by Judoh View Post
Touya's apparently thinks it's a greater miracle he wasn't killed by a car on the highway, than that he was found. And he's kind of right. The chances are higher that someone would have killed him, while he was lying there, than someone picking him off the street. No matter who it is.
During the meeting with Yukari, it was also revealed that Touya had suspected for a long time that it was Ikuko who hit him.
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