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Old 2004-08-05, 22:40   Link #84
relentlessflame
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yogo_Pogo
It should, because art is a way of showing what you think of the world. If you tolerate something in a movie you may as well tolerate it in the real life. Since there are not just adult pervert that watch anime, the fan service will influence younger audience. If you always show naked underage girl, they will tolerate it since they are always exposed to it. Then it will be accepted and the woman will again suffer and the man will again get satisfied without doing anything. The pedophile will not have to hide themselves because young girls will strip (or do other things) since it is tolerated for them to do so. You always must see the danger of too much tolerance, because it is dangerous.
The thing is, you're once again really reaching in an attempt to connect dots. The problem is the crime - stay focused on that. You are assuming that tolerating something in fiction makes you more likely to tolerate it in real life, and you are once again assuming that it will lead to an increase in crime. I don't know why or how you can make those leaps of thinking - there's just no conclusive evidence to back it up, as far as I am aware. For every example of someone who committed a crime through exposure, there's probably an equal and opposite example of someone who committed a crime out of curiousity without exposure. Criminal behaviour is caused by a lot of factors, many of which are psychological. If you truly want to stop crimes against women, you've got to look past the surface, and look at the psychological issues that cause people to cross the line. Here's my belief and contention: Most guys don't commit violence against women, no matter how much they are exposed to fanservice or even porn.

I don't know what you have against guys, but I will tell you directly: as a guy, you are insulting my intelligence and ability to make moral judgements. I'm not just an animal that responds to visual stimuli and acts accordingly; I have a brain, I have ethics and morals, and I have the power to make my own choices. You are also insulting other women - they also have brains, ethics, morals, and the power to make their own choices - they are not forced to simply do whatever immoral or illegal thing a guy tells them to do; if they are, it is a crime punishable by law.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Yogo_Pogo
I don’t think it is very what a woman want to do. Some girl don’t seems to mind if they are consider like objects because some idiots (men or worst, some brainwashed women) will them they aren’t even if it’s not true.
They do strip, but they do it for money. Who provides money? Men. Who get better salaries? Men. Who always got what they want? Men. Who is a slave of men? Women. Who will never have what they want on tv because they don’t have enough money power? Women. Who have to take care of the kids when the father is gone? Women. Who will have less chance to have a next man in her life because she takes care of their kids? Women. Who always runs from their responsibilities? Men. Who will always get away with it? Men. I’ll stop here because I’m getting mad again.
I'm afraid that I do not generally subscribe to the victim theory in this day, age, and culture. When gender-based discrimination occurs, it should be exposed and settled through the existing legal channels. I suppose you would say that it's easy for me to say that, since I'm a guy, but what else can I do? If I could apologize for the inequalities of the past, I would... but all we can do now is look to the present and the future. If you truly want to be equal, then be equal. The truest form of empowerment is grabbing hold of yourself and doing something with your life. That's true equally for everyone around the world; no matter what your culture, there are always ways for people seeking to make a difference to step up to the plate.

Once again, I apologize if I am coming across in an offensive way; that is not my intent. I just want you to know clearly that there are guys out there who are not out to oppress women and set them back in life. If you're going to throw us all out because we are visual creatures attracted to women's bodies, then you should take it up with God, or evolution, or whatever you believe brought us here in the first place. As I said, though, we're not just animals; we are more than capable of moving past the physical, and interacting with people on a much higher level - together, we as a society have done great things. That's what makes us different from animals. So don't give up on all men yet; we are, after all, your number one fans.
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