[Samanosuke]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Spoiler for "spoiler for the original seiya's story":

5 guys that just can't be beaten..they fall down to the ground a lot but they simply won't lose..sometimes I think it's unfair for the bad guys to challenge them

Originally Posted by Used Can

Spoiler:

Indeed, and that's one of the many reasons why I'm liking Lost Canvas better than the original, because in that one, at the end, the bronze saints always came up with some sort of miracle, especially in battles where they should have lost. On the other hand, in Lost Canvas we've seen Tenma's limitations, and Teshirogi uses Deus ex Machina far less than Kurumada.

Just sayin' , but hmm...

Spoiler for original mangoo:

Really , Athena is the one who did most of the job.
during the sanctuary battle , She used her god cosmos to guide the saint. without her cosmos , they would have gone absolutely nowhere.
Same thing happened again during the Poseidon arc , and in the end , she came out of the pillar , and the just...put Poseidon back where he belonged.
Then in the Hades saga , again , everyone got the crap beaten out of them. Save for the 5 main who receive Athena's blood and almost achieved godhood. And when the gold saint felt her cosmos , they revived , only to die again for a greater cause. Then the final battle against hades happened , and again , Athena's blood saved them , then she got out of the jar , and she started fighting Hades. Then they did a 5 Somewhat-gods + one God vs 1 God.
while the final battle wasn't fair and square of whatever , I wouldn't call that Deus ex Machina. It's been there since the beginning, Athena's power , she just used it differently. Basically , all the bronze saint are , ever were , and ever will be are simply vessels for Athena so that she has the less amount of physical combat to do , since she hates fighting.
And what pretty much every of their opponent did , was underestimate the amount of love (if you can call that love) Athena had for her bronze saint.
And one last thing. The cosmos is infinite , The only limitation one has is physical. The 5 saints from the original always choose to overthrow those physical limits , be it their body destroyed to fight for what they believed in...which basically is Athena.
I won't deny it can be over the top for most though , I understand perfectly what you reproach it, not debating that point at all. Just felt like precising that well , Saint Seiya always stayed true to itself all the way , and that while the fight felt farteched and unfair , they we'rent really. You just don't go attack a fully awakend Athena and get away with it because she's more powerful than you, and you should know that , I mean damn , she's freakin Athena !
Now they are getting to maybe fighting Zeus and Cronus, yeah now that , that will be far fetched and full of Deus Ex machina , unless Artemis and friends helps Athena ^^'