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Old 2012-06-22, 11:23   Link #226
Akiyoshi
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From the Q & A thread following recommendation by Keroko, i knew you said we should this to the FAQ thread by it seems we still agreeing on this so i took this to the Theories & Speculations thread instead xDU

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Originally Posted by VezSketch View Post
Nanoha blocked a punch from Vivio and was clashing with her, so no. She was, however, using the Blaster System.
I agree with Keroko in that Nanoha is able to enhace her physical power with magic but by herself she's probably just as strong as a well-trained human woman her age and size. I'm pretty sure speed and kinetic force can be greatly enhaced with the use of barriers and flying spells, like her Flash Impact combo she used on Fate on Season 1.

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Meaningless speculation, how about some actual supporting evidence? What you doubt isn't significant to anyone. We saw them both block the attacks and they weren't shown to do anything specific - Occam's razor dictates they just blocked them until anything brings that into doubt and I doubt anything will. It's not like they could match the firepower all of a sudden, but being capable of blocking it sits well with how the series work (Zafira blocked an AAA rank spell, the same as Hiryū Issen - they're both at least as strong as the Divine Buster was)
I have doubts because we didn't saw anything, the explosion ocurred and then they appeared after the explosion so we didn't get to know how they blocked the attacks. Isis doesn't have any feats supporting she could block an attack that big just like that ...Agito is an even bigger question mark as she shouldn't suppossed to be able to block Tohma's attackas at all, so it's easy to assume she find a way to get around that that doesn't involve magical shields as we know those are useless agains EC Drivers. With Zafira, if you're talking about him blocking Chrono's Stiger Blade-Execution Shift. Yeah you robably right, except for the fact Zafira casted a special shield for that and unlike Hiryuu Issen and Divine buster, that was an attack swith ana acumulative effect on a wide spread area so it's in a sense a bit easier to protect from it than form attacks that focus their damage in one spot like the afformentioned two.

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Originally Posted by VezSketch View Post
Subaru? LOL. Subaru has no feats to suggest that, so that's pretty much a load of crap. As far as we know at the moment, Nanoha and Fate are far stronger than her and she'll never be close to them.
They're only stronger than Subaru in terms of magical power, Subaru is a cyborg and unlike Nanoha or Fate she have many feats of great physical strenght. For starters, she's able to lift and throw people many feet in the air without any magic whatsoever, can punch trough concrete, steel, and whatever alloy the Gadget drones are made of, her special Cyborg Power involves making her fists to emit wild supersonic vibrations something that requires an incredibly tough body to pull off an in such a state she can even punch trough the Saint Craddle's walls (something Nanoha only achieved with a Blaster-3 Divine Buster), and don't forget what Keroko says about her new ability of braking weapons with her left hand. There's no doubt Nanoha and Fate are a lot more powerfull than Subaru in the overall scenario but physically Subaru is far stronger than them and most members of Section Six, being probably just as strong or even stronger than Vita and Signum themselves.

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Eh, so? Quinn also cut up Erio's Strike Cannon with an unreacted Divider, Cypha downright curb stomped her. Signum, Nanoha, Fate, or even Vita could do the same.
Quinn used an especial attack along with her divider sword, and attack Cypha explained in detail during their fight. Deville on the other hand damaged Erio's unit with brute streght alone. It's doubtful if Vita and Signum could "curbstomp Quinn" tough, as she's an EC Driver and her reacted divider is probably even more powerfull. Cypha can get away with that because she have more experience with EC powers as also having the power of being tough as hell and thus able to fend off Quinn's attack that will be unblockable for non EC Driver opponents.

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Not particularly impressive as Subaru has done nothing particularly impressive. The only way to somehow gauge her power (along with Teana and Erio) is through rank and scaling her with Arf and Zafira, two characters with impressive feats - they're all AA ranks.
Subaru's low rank came more likely from her limited fightstyle as she have mostly melee-range attacks and is unable to fly which can limit her effectiveness under certain conditions. For everything else, see the above explanation about her feats xD.

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Not particularly impressive, considering Nanoha can physically contend with Thoma and wasn't trying to hurt him. Curren is likely stronger than everyone, though. She owned Vita, but Vita hasn't exactly proven she can take a S-Rank attack head on or that such a feat can be applied to her.
Correction, Fortress mode can physically contend with Tohma and Nanoah did go all out in the battle yet Tohma shruged of the damage like nothing due to his very powerfull healing factor. Once Tohma destroyed the Strike Cannon and the Fortress units(in one raid to boot) Nanoha was left totally defenseless and at his mercy being in the need to be rescued by Subaru before Tohma can deal the killing blow.

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Originally Posted by VezSketch View Post
Not at all. That's a massive leap in logic and something you can't prove.
Why is that a massive leap in logic? Isis surviving a broken neck from a man who can break steel with brute strenght alone is very clear feat of durability, Isis even bleed from the attack proving that Deville wasn't lying when he said he broke her neck. That's definetely something almost everyone else on Section Six wouldn't be able to rise from without assitance and some time in the hospital. It's also a hint about Isis misterious nature.

I agree with Curren being the strongest of them all, tough xD!
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