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Old 2012-08-06, 13:28   Link #9501
Sol Falling
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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate View Post
That still doesn't change that Lelouch used outside means to achieve his goals and used Geass to establish his power base after his heel turn. Without Geass or Zero than nothing would have changed, thus Suzaku putting the mask of Zero means that the world needs Zero for the foreseeable future.
No, Lelouch accomplished the entirety of his final plan in the Zero Requiem section of the story from within the Britannian system. His geass itself was especially suited to internally changing the system. In particular, without geass, Lelouch's external rebellion wouldn't have stood a chance of getting anywhere either.

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Euphie wasn't validated, as far as the rest of the world knows she's still the one that ordered that tragedy. Besides, not like the public would believe in the Geass business anyway.

The world Suzaku wanted was one where he changed everything from the inside, not what Lelouch did where he didn't bother working for change he forced it(which is not what Suzaku wanted). Instead he failed at that and was forced to join with Lelouch to force a coup and than garner the worlds hatreds based on a lie.
Suzaku wasn't forced to join Lelouch in causing a coup, he chose to do so. The "world" that Suzaku wanted was a gentle one which had broken the chains hatred and war, just the same as Lelouch and Nunnally (or basically any number of other characters). Suzaku chose to change Britannia from the inside because Britannia was always the most powerful world power; his reasoning was that war/conflict would be ended quickly just so long as one side could achieve a conclusive victory. Jumping around between supporting Charles, Schniezel, or Lelouch whenever it was most advantageous to him wasn't a contradiction of his principles because they were all still within the system; rather, it was exactly what he should have been expected to do in order to obtain the power necessary for his objectives.

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Lelouch only allowed himself to die because of the guilt of what he had to do and to sell his plan so that the world could move on and Nunnally could live in a world she was trying to create. It had nothing to do about letting Suzaku win because everything that happened was what Lelouch had planned, Suzaku was just there for the ride.
No, Lelouch would have just resigned himself to a suicidal death after eliminating Charles from the C world if it were not for Suzaku. Suzaku's demand that Lelouch take responsibility for what he had done to Euphie by dying was what prompted Lelouch to formulate his Zero Requiem plan; a plan which needed the cooperation of Suzaku which Lelouch could never have gotten without acknowledging his regret/intention to atone for what he had done to Euphie. At that point in the story, Lelouch's motivations were entirely driven by Suzaku and his general regret for the state of the world/what he had done to it because he believed Nunally was dead, completely removing her from his calculations.
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