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Originally Posted by Malkuth

It should have been clear before the 23rd episode of Monogatari, that the second half of episode 12 was the exception and the series is not about the cheesy romantic relation of two teenagers, there are too many shows doing that with various degrees of ecchi to accommodate everyone's tastes

In a sense, it's the opposite. People expecting Monogatari to be the chessy romantic relation of two teenagers is one of the reason why the toothbrush scene works.

If you watch a porn, you expect a porn. But if you watch Monogatari your mind will get blown. That's what makes Mononogatari great

Originally Posted by Reckoner

As far as I know most adaptions don't cover every paragraph of material there is. They don't have time for that and if they do that it usually leads to horrid pacing. This is not a book, this is an anime.

It's exactly because in Bake anime they cut many naughty jokes that people's expectations with Nise got screwed.

I wrote a post about Nadeko Snake and Tsubasa Cat in the LN thread. Some changes between the novel and the anime surprised me.

Originally Posted by DemiSoda

You know, the other Monogatari ep that had so many 10s was episode 12 of Bakemonogatari, but that on the other hand was "legit good" - Senjougahara x Araragi romance development with a perfectly timed ED song. This? This was just incest otaku pandering to the max. Revolutionary fan-service my ass. I'm sorry but I was not sexually aroused or "Hnnnnnging" as some people like to call it over a bloody toothbrush scene.

Seriously, comedy is underrated. People with no education on art think the angsty and the incomprehensible must be rated high, whereas what's played for the laugh is the lowest of the low. As George Carlin once said, "Dying is hard. Comedy is harder".

And the story about pandering is getting ridiculous. There is no way to avoid pandering a group of people or two. Senjougahara for example was clearly pandering to those who like abusive language.

That wasn't the only problem with the episode. Araragi rubbing his foot on his sister's head whilst she was begging him to take her virginity (I swear this is what I read from the subs). Yea... no wonder some people in the west think anime is very sexist.

What is actually sexist about it? Are females not good enough to be ridiculous on screen?

Not to mention the fact this episode had no purpose as it didn't develop character and the only worthwhile thing we got was that Araragi agreed to introduce Kanbaru to his sister at the very end of the ep.

Consider that in the novel the chapter starts with Araragi saying that he and Karen as siblings are not on good terms. There is plenty of chara development.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

And there's no bias in liking incest?

Liking incest is no less a personal bias/preference than disliking it is.

Yeah, but it sounds like a gay who can't laugh at a joke if it's about women and hetero sex. I don't watch/read Nise for incest (and it's not about incest), but I can still laugh at it. I don't like guro, but I think Junji Itou is a great author. EDIT: no, wait, it was not Junji Ito. Can't remember the name, it was something like Shinitero Kago.

Originally Posted by Demi.

If the source material is displeasing they can either A.) skip it

They can't skip it because most people think it's great. Deal with it.

Though I can't even begin to fathom why an entire episode needed to be dedicated to what seemed like nothing more than incestual pandering...Was this scene in the novel really that long?

Yeah, it was that long. And frankly, that chapter was dragged too much. But the idea behind was genius, and Nisio boldly, majestically and ruthlessly brought it down on paper.

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

Third, there might be something about wanting to use the novel's names. As a result, Shaft became somewhat bound to the 2 chapters. I mean Bakemonogatari spanned 2 books if I recalled correctly, which I believe allowed it to be 1 cour with 5 arcs.

Bakemonogatari was originally a series of short stories that later got collected in two books. Starting with Kizu each book became a single story.