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Originally Posted by James Rye
Looks like today's talks failed and now there won't be any Brexit deal discussion in the next Eu meeting. May gets threaten from all signs about no-deal or Backstop Plan for the Irish Boarder. Looks like it will be hard Brexit after all.
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To be clear, it is going to be a hard Brexit not due to the failure of reaching a deal at this point, but due to how every time there had been a total failure to reach any meaningful progress because of:
a) The UK side turning on their word a week later
b) The UK side not knowing what they want to do or get out of the situation
c) The fear that May would end up getting ousted as PM and a new PM would just null all the prior talks and agreements
That last point in particular is the one that had made the UK side in the negotiations so erratic and unpredictable. The UK didn't have the upper hand at all during the talks from day 0, but May having to fight in order to keep her position had really done a number on the UK side having a united front on the simplest of matters during negotiations. May had spent 2018 not trying to make sure that the UK gets the best possible deal out of getting out of the EU, but trying to make sure that half of her cabinet doesn't kick her out and stop the other half from resigning.
It says it all when the former Brexit minster is openly calling for the PM to be kicked out (not resign, but kicked out) of her position and the current Brexit minster to be in opposition to the PM over her plans for how a deal should or should not go.
But I suppose the madness must continue, until we are off the cliff edge.
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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant
Britons were lied to, and worse, the Britons wanted to believe in the lies.
Fear of immigration was one of those lies that have always been around for as long as humanity existed. The math never adds up, it is NEVER the immigrant's fault. History has shown us this over and over again. But people want to blame the immigrants, because then they don't have to blame themselves.
it takes two sides for a Con. The Con-man, and the Conned. The Conned are only able to be deceived because they want to believe in a lie. They want to believe Brexit would allow them to get more money, even though it isn't actually true.
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I'm in agreement with your post, but the point about money stood out because of how much that bus ad is still absurd to this day
Not only is the UK already losing money, but what is coming next is going to be much worse in the very likely event of a no deal scenario. A lot of people are going to be hurt, and the worst thing is that it's not just going to be the people who wanted to believe the lies, but also the people who didn't want this and the immigrants who are about to end up without proper legal status in a country run by inept nutters.