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you got it the wrong way around. the "demotion" of the shiba nobles and moving to rukongai were postmortem. kaien's death was basically what started all that.
kaien's siblings kukaku and ganju, ashamed by their big brother's death at the hands of a no name hollow, unable to come to terms with the reality that is his brother's weakness, distanced themselves from others and used shinigami especially rukia as psycological scapegoats to make themsleves feel better.
pre-houguyoku failed experimental regular monstrous hollow is about as weak as it gets as far as hybrids go. in reality kaien dishonored himself and his clan when he lost to this crap, failing to avenge his wife. rukia didn't just do the right thing, she did the possessed kaien a favor, ending his misery. kukaku should have thanked her, but that's too humiliating for her big ego, so she chose to live in denial.
it's like, one's policeman father died a lame death slipping down a flight of stairs and the "infuriated" family finding all excuses to sue the police department/his partner for "justice". deep down they'll remember the lame ass as one who died a heroic death, battling concrete stairs
byakuya as the head of the dominating kuchiki clan and one of the strongest in its history has no talent compared to ichigo. whatever ichigo is, it's most unlikely that he's even an elite member of some noble clan, let alone crappy kaien's reincarnation. news flash people, kaien didn't loose to emokid arrancar, or uber boss, he got his ass kicked by some below GF level failed trash. anyone who can defeat d-roy is stronger than kaien, therefore rukia, renji, ikkaku >> kaien. the only reason as far as i can see for his 1 year graduation and quick VC status is family connection
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Ok are you just Trolling again or do you have a source for your claim that Kaien's death was what started the Shiba clan's fall from grace?
the only facts I have been able to find out about Kaien from going over volumes 10 through 16 are:
- he passed the entrance exan for the Academy in 1 try
- his spirit energy level was at par with the then current VC of the 13 division
- He finished the 6 years worth of curriculum in 2 years
- 5 years later he became a VC
- Ganjyu has never been around Shinigami other then his brother and the person who return his body (Rukia) and went with Ichigo to see what they were like. All of the other noble houses live inside the inner city and would be around a large number of shinigami
- Kaien was the eldest member of the clan at the time of his death
- Helping Urahara excape in to exile was not a crime big enuff to get the Shihouin clan kicked out of the Nobles but Soi Fong stated that helping Ichigo was, Meaning it would take a near rebelion to fall from grace. and makes your statement of being throwen out because Kaien was taken over by a hollow and had to be killed moronic.
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Q: why did aizen consider those as failed experiments if their unique abilities make them strong?
A: obviously, because they're NOT STRONG
bruce lee's special techniques works well on man, but not a grizzly, it's as simple as that. aizen deemed them failed experiments because they're WEAK and no amounts of special abilities can make up for lack of power. bleach characters comes with different shapes and abilities, but in the end reiatsu/power overcomes all. jidanbo is HUGE, yumichika has an "uber ability", but that won't prevent yamaji or kenpachi from pwning them in no time. and just because little kaien's zanpakutou was snatched doesn't mean everyone elses will, obviously. what do you think if isshin was facing that hollow?
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The power level of the hollow is not why they were failed experiments. They were failed experiments because Azein was trying to make Hollow-Shinigami hybreds but this one did not seem to gain any of the shinigami's powers. Yes that hollow was weak and in fact Kaien was beating it down with his bare hands and was about to kill it with a spell when it used it's other ablity that you have neglected to mention, the ablity to merge with anyone that had touched it. Once that happen it and he became a psudo-vizard with the hollow in control. Who knows given time Kaien might have been able to regain control by beating the hollow down in his inner or the hollow might have consumed him, we don't know because he was killed in self defence shortly afterwards.
If Isshin was faceing it who knows? He's fine if he never touches it or if his is not the first soulslayer to hit it that day or he can one hit it. Otherwise who knows, it all depends on what things factor in to it's ability to merge with spirits. It could go just as bad as with what happen to Kaien.
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plus who said ichigo needs zangetsu to fight? he takes out shikai VC class people like ants using hands. and don't forget there's getzuga tensho
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No Zangetsu = no Getzuga tensho = no range atacks and with this hollow at best Ichigo now has 2 crazed hollows in his head.