(CR) Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation Season 2

[grecefar]

While roxy is my favorite of all, elinalise was the goat in this chapter, at least for me.

eh, I doubt sylphie will be that mad to be honest.

Originally Posted by frubam

I dunno, I think you all are underestimating Sylphie here. I would expect her to be shocked, maybe even in a comical way. At the end of the day, she understands, or WILL understand just how important Roxy is to him. That he was going through a difficult time, and that Roxy helped him emotionally when she wasn't there. I think that with all of that, she'll wholeheartedly accept Roxy as part of the family, especially since part of Sylphie's childhood was spent at the Greyrats and seeing the two-wife family life firsthand. Norn though, its going to be tough. I wouldn't be surprised if she lashed out, but we'll see.

my thoughts exactly.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Honestly, I have no issue with polygamy whether in fiction or real life, but the way this show is going about it is kind of terrible all around. Roxy should have never done what she did, there couldn't have been a worse timing. She could be excused if she hadn't known Rudeus was married, but she did it fully aware of it. Rudeus already felt guilty enough about Paul's death, he didn't need to feel guilty about cheating on Sylphie too. And don't say stuff like "she didn't force him", she took emotional advantage of him even it wasn't her intention.

Honestly I want to see Roxy going from "oh, he's married with child?!" to "I'm still planning to seduce him" .

To be honest he didn't seem as worked up about cheating on Sylphie as I expected but that might be partially because he was happy to be with Roxy despite everything.

Originally Posted by frubam

Honestly I'm glad that despite the circumstances, Roxy was able to proclaim her feelings to Rudy. I know some people didn't like the way she took advantage of him, but I feel that his emotional state at the time allowed him to indulge in his true feelings. I don't think he'd just do that with anyone; he did that because it was Roxy. Otherwise, he'd have had the same mindset when he attempted to put his arm around her only to relent. I'd much prefer the current scenario than one where he holds back his feelings, which, in his words, could be ~equally as strong because he believed there wouldn't be anyone he could love as much as Sylphie.

In any event, I'm just glad they did anything with it, and, for better or worse, will come to a conclusion(hopefully) next episode. I can't stand it when characters I like who like someone in the show are blue-balled with no definitive outcome; they're just left hanging without even given a chance to disclose their feelings.

I'm happy Roxy was true to her feelings and I don't necesarilly begrudge Rudy's feelings towards her...it's just the actual execution of it was kind of murky.

I dunno, I think you all are underestimating Sylphie here. I would expect her to be shocked, maybe even in a comical way. At the end of the day, she understands, or WILL understand just how important Roxy is to him. That he was going through a difficult time, and that Roxy helped him emotionally when she wasn't there. I think that with all of that, she'll wholeheartedly accept Roxy as part of the family, especially since part of Sylphie's childhood was spent at the Greyrats and seeing the two-wife family life firsthand. Norn though, its going to be tough. I wouldn't be surprised if she lashed out, but we'll see.

I'd also say that since neither are followers of Millis, I wouldn't necessarily say he "cheated" on her. I can't really see how polygamy is supposed to be handled or accepted if not in this way(e.g. to paraphrase Paul, he thought he only needed one sword, but found out he can't live without two).

As far as Roxy's chastity goes, she said to Elinalise that she'd only "do that" with someone she loves, so despite how it looked like she was experienced, I'm going to assume that she was a virgin, and not just because of some pretext from my own ends. Who knows, we have seen her finger herself and could have torn(not sure that's a thing honestly), or maybe her race just doesn't bleed.

I'm not so much underestimating Sylphie so much as thinking Rudeus probably got her hopes up and I feel like even if she ends up accepting Roxy she'll still have to deal with the fact that the husband whose child she's carrying hooked up with some other girl and plans to marry her while she was worried about him.

Now, maybe she will accept that Roxy was there for Rudy when she couldn't be, but I think it would be understandable if she had a lot of complicated feelings about it.

I would say it counts as cheating in the sense that he promised to be faithful to Sylphie and he did this without her awareness even if he didn't actively pursue it or was in a proper mental state to receive it until the morning after.

[patnam]

next season will be based on the "Days Of Future Past"...?!

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Frontier

To be honest he didn't seem as worked up about cheating on Sylphie as I expected but that might be partially because he was happy to be with Roxy despite everything.

The other half was likely like you said earlier; a simple realization that, yeah, he's just as much of a "scumbag" as his father . Probably made him happy having that comparison that such a quality of his father lives on with him.

I'm not so much underestimating Sylphie so much as thinking Rudeus probably got her hopes up and I feel like even if she ends up accepting Roxy she'll still have to deal with the fact that the husband whose child she's carrying hooked up with some other girl and plans to marry her while she was worried about him.

Saying it like she's just 'some other girl' feels like you believe Sylphie will see her as just some random person he decided to marry. She's the woman who has in part shaped Rudy to become the person that he is, and I feel that will have considerable weight in how she will see Roxy. I recall some people were saying that her saying its okay for Rudy to have a kid with another [random] woman was okay could have potentially just been her putting on a brave face. Given what she has been gone through, and even accepting someone like Elinalise(given her nature) as her grandmother, its hard to believe that for some reason, the notion that this Roxy situation passes the line for what she'll accept seems inconsistent to me.

Now, maybe she will accept that Roxy was there for Rudy when she couldn't be, but I think it would be understandable if she had a lot of complicated feelings about it.

I would say it counts as cheating in the sense that he promised to be faithful to Sylphie and he did this without her awareness even if he didn't actively pursue it or was in a proper mental state to receive it until the morning after.

These are fair assessments, though I don't agree with them, it is certainly a logical conclusion to come to, given the circumstances. Honestly, I hope I'm right; I don't really want to see Sylphie have to struggle to overcome this kind of hurdle at the end of a season.

[DolFunDolphinVtuber]

Norn is the person I feel sorry for the most.
She had a great connection with Paul.

[Kanon]

I would love for Sylphie to get angry, but I really think she's too much of a doormat to do it. She's just going to maybe cry a little bit and quietly accept Roxy.

The reaction I'm looking forward to is Ariel's. She's not going to be happy.

[Mad Pierrot]

The handling of polygamy in Demon Slayer involving Tengen Uzui now sounds different in comparison. That was played for gags, but Demon Slayer in general took itself seriously whenever it came to the siblings. Maybe I'll wait for the next episode before judging both series.

[GDB]

I forget, did Rudy ever tell Sylphie about Roxy? If he had gone on and on about how much he respected and/or cared for her (whether when they were young, or while he didn't realize Fitz was Sylphie), she might not mind at all knowing it isn't some random/spur of the moment feeling from him.

Hell, she might even appreciate Roxy, since by transitive property Roxy helped her by helping Rudy. But that again only works if Rudy talked about her when they were young.

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Strahan

Just curious; since you specifically excluded the emotional vulnerability aspect of their hookup, what was it that makes it so morally iffy? Is it just because she slept with him, knowing he's married? Because if you weigh that against the other thing (how people groused about mentally 30 something Rudeus grooming actual child Sylphie) I wouldn't put Roxy's move anywhere in the same ballpark personally.

When people cheat, it's the person in the relationship that is the scumbag who is violating a trust. It's like how dudes will talk about wanting to kill the guy when they find out their girlfriends cheat. The other guy doesn't owe you any loyalty; it's the person who claims to love you that you should be angry with.

Honestly it isn't the cheating that gets me, it's the fact that Roxy knew Rudeus was completely mentally destroyed. He looked rough and clearly hadn't been eating. His mind was 100% not in a place to consent to anything and she went in, locked the door, and jumped on top of him. She even admitted it later. Honestly, flip the roles around and people would be reaching for pitchforks.

Sure Rudeus sames some of the blame as well because, afterwards, he was at least mentally cheating on Silphie but that pales in comparison to how iffy Roxy's behaviour was.

This is basically unrelated to the fact that it also feels iffy to see Roxy, an adult, looking at the Kid she taught when he was only 4 or 5 years old and getting romantically involved with him. Both are very iffy morally for me, way more than any potential cheating going on (which, given the world of MT accepts polygamy, is probably completely morally OK).

EDIT: btw, just to clarify, I'm not reaching for pitchforks over anything. I'm just pointing out that the story just had some very iffy developments. The thing is that these developments make the story more, not less, interesting to me. Flawed characters that make sense is what makes a great show and MT nails that aspect. Rudeus isn't perfect, but that makes him way more interesting than the Kirito's of this world.

[BWTraveller]

I don't get the whole "I'm just like Paul" thing. Paul was a wild player until he met Zenith, though "predator" might be a more accurate term. Multiple of the women he knows have stories of encounters where he had no interest in their consent. Rudy has done a lot of things, but he hasn't forced anything on anyone. The only similarity is in the fact that he made a promise of fidelity and then slept with someone whom he would love to marry, and even here as mentioned it happened when he was in a very vulnerable state, whereas Paul was just feeling horny when Lilia approached him. Yeah, he needs to be careful not to go too far down that road, but he really hasn't taken near as many steps in that direction as he seems to think.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by frubam

Saying it like she's just 'some other girl' feels like you believe Sylphie will see her as just some random person he decided to marry. She's the woman who has in part shaped Rudy to become the person that he is, and I feel that will have considerable weight in how she will see Roxy. I recall some people were saying that her saying its okay for Rudy to have a kid with another [random] woman was okay could have potentially just been her putting on a brave face. Given what she has been gone through, and even accepting someone like Elinalise(given her nature) as her grandmother, its hard to believe that for some reason, the notion that this Roxy situation passes the line for what she'll accept seems inconsistent to me.

I think it depends a lot on how much she knows about Roxy and could accept Rudy suddenly being with someone she only has really surface-level knowledge of. Even in the case of her grandmother, while Elinalise has a reputation she's mostly seen her in a monogamous romance with Cliff.

These are fair assessments, though I don't agree with them, it is certainly a logical conclusion to come to, given the circumstances. Honestly, I hope I'm right; I don't really want to see Sylphie have to struggle to overcome this kind of hurdle at the end of a season.

I don't want Sylphie unhappy either, and she probably will get over it, but I feel like it's understandable (and in my opinion necessary) for her to be just a little upset about this.

Originally Posted by Kanon

I would love for Sylphie to get angry, but I really think she's too much of a doormat to do it. She's just going to maybe cry a little bit and quietly accept Roxy.

The reaction I'm looking forward to is Ariel's. She's not going to be happy.

I can see Norn and Ariel being pretty ticked at him. Well, Ariel will probably be mad for Sylphie's sake because she probably isn't monogamous herself.

I definitely don't feel like he should be able to use polygamy as a cheat to escape the consequences of his cheating...but he probably will.

Originally Posted by Dextro

Honestly it isn't the cheating that gets me, it's the fact that Roxy knew Rudeus was completely mentally destroyed. He looked rough and clearly hadn't been eating. His mind was 100% not in a place to consent to anything and she went in, locked the door, and jumped on top of him. She even admitted it later. Honestly, flip the roles around and people would be reaching for pitchforks.

Sure Rudeus sames some of the blame as well because, afterwards, he was at least mentally cheating on Silphie but that pales in comparison to how iffy Roxy's behaviour was.

This is basically unrelated to the fact that it also feels iffy to see Roxy, an adult, looking at the Kid she taught when he was only 4 or 5 years old and getting romantically involved with him. Both are very iffy morally for me, way more than any potential cheating going on (which, given the world of MT accepts polygamy, is probably completely morally OK).

EDIT: btw, just to clarify, I'm not reaching for pitchforks over anything. I'm just pointing out that the story just had some very iffy developments. The thing is that these developments make the story more, not less, interesting to me. Flawed characters that make sense is what makes a great show and MT nails that aspect. Rudeus isn't perfect, but that makes him way more interesting than the Kirito's of this world.

I can accept that she wanted to be there for Rudy emotionally and to comfort him, especially because he was at another rock bottom moment and I don't think giving him space was the right move. She loved him, of course she couldn't just leave him like that and she was probably the only person who could get through to him in that moment.

But that doesn't mean he needed to have her sleep with him and that's obviously what she was going for, whether they went on a date or not.

Though for the record I think Kirito is plenty flawed .

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

I don't get the whole "I'm just like Paul" thing. Paul was a wild player until he met Zenith, though "predator" might be a more accurate term. Multiple of the women he knows have stories of encounters where he had no interest in their consent. Rudy has done a lot of things, but he hasn't forced anything on anyone. The only similarity is in the fact that he made a promise of fidelity and then slept with someone whom he would love to marry, and even here as mentioned it happened when he was in a very vulnerable state, whereas Paul was just feeling horny when Lilia approached him. Yeah, he needs to be careful not to go too far down that road, but he really hasn't taken near as many steps in that direction as he seems to think.

That's pretty much it. I mean, obviously his mental state was different from Paul's but in action it was basically the same.

[Strahan]

Originally Posted by Dextro

Honestly it isn't the cheating that gets me, it's the fact that Roxy knew Rudeus was completely mentally destroyed. He looked rough and clearly hadn't been eating. His mind was 100% not in a place to consent to anything and she went in, locked the door, and jumped on top of him. She even admitted it later. Honestly, flip the roles around and people would be reaching for pitchforks.

Oh, in that case yea, makes sense and I'd agree. I was just confused because you specifically said not including the emotional vulnerability thing in the original post.