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The topic of subjectivity has been discussed ad nauseam, and I've never had a problem with hearing thoughts from different sides. However, I do disagree that there is value in agreeing with pointed and poorly-worded arguments. Picking certain words and taking a certain tone means closing the door to discussion, and while it might be interesting to see what another side says, when the tone is in that manner, usually, one would expect people with a different opinion to simply read it and move on. Conversely, if one were to be a bit more civil, there'd be room for a conversation. Reckoner certainly didn't need to go out of their way to attack the studio or the staff for the film: there are ways of being critical without being insulting, and what's useful to me is someone who can successfully do that, to convince me of the merits of another side without resorting to petty insults. Looking through the old thread, what baffles me is that there were a lot of forum members looked like they were treading on eggshells when they replied to Reckoner. On one hand, they wanted to disagree, but given the way they worded their replies, they also wanted to avoid something and ended up giving an ambivalent response that leaned towards agreement with the rant (e.g. "I liked the movie, but Reckoner convinced me not to like it"). Since I joined shortly after, I'm not sure why so much caution was being exercised – this is a forum, after all, and it struck me as very strange that it sounds like some people were self-censoring. I vaguely remember that a large change happened around here some time after I joined, too, and can't help but wonder if prior to that change, something about Reckoner was probably preventing people from speaking their minds? As it stands, however, it's probably best to not dig too much deeper. The thread leaves me with more questions than answers, and the people I'd like to chat with most to understand the disconnect between their unexpected shift in opinions are now inactive.
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2021-07-18, 17:40 | Link #2142 | |
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There was really no point in having an impassioned debate about it, even then. A lot of people in that thread had known him for a long time. He had his point of view, but the things he disliked about it really had very little bearing on the things others liked about it. I can see objectively where he's coming from, but it's honestly irrelevant to those who enjoyed it. He will never be swayed by talk in that thread, and I really think you're overplaying his ability to sway others (except those who already come from a similar point of view anyway). The movie is a final send-off for the cast, so it was never really setting out to bring in that many new fans to the mix in the first place. That doesn't mean it's beyond criticism, obviously, but criticism from someone with that point of view has a fairly limited audience at that point. (If you made it that far in the franchise, you really should have already decided how you feel about its core construct. A criticism that amounts to "if you never liked K-On, the movie isn't going to change your mind" is a valid perspective, but was never really a goal.) I agree that people should be more considerate when stating their opinions, and I've made this point extensively over the years. Attacking the people who make the anime or those who enjoy it is absolutely wrong and unacceptable (and, is against the Forum Rules). But -- maybe it's because I've gotten older now, I don't know -- at some point someone's enjoyment of a thing can't be so fragile that one person's angry review causes you to get that defensive, especially when their biases were obvious coming into it. You just waste a lot of energy. In my opinion, better to just keep talking about the reasons you liked it and why and move on.
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On another note, it's now been exactly a decade since K-On! The Movie screened in Japan. I still remember the day the movie came out: while moviegoers queued up for the film in Japan, I was sitting in a lecture hall. It wouldn't be until July where I'd actually have a chance to see the movie, when the BDs came out, but since then, I've rewatched the movie at least once a year, every year, for the past decade. This movie exemplifies Kyoto Animation's magic in making the ordinary, extraordinary, and the fact that the film has endured is a testament to the things it excels at doing. I have a much more extensive set of thoughts on why the film is as successful at it is on my blog, since I can't fit all of my thoughts here, and I daresay that I do a much better job than Reckoner does of showing why the positives outweigh the negatives. Trenton Dawn and others, if you're out there, know that thoughts like these exist, and it is not too late to retract your support of Reckoner's stances.
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2022-07-18, 08:36 | Link #2144 |
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Today marks the 10 year mark to K-On! The Movie's home release, and I still remember how tangible excitement here was surrounding the the prospect of finally being able to watch the movie after an 8-month long wait. Ten years later, the K-On! forum is retired, and many of this site's biggest K-On! fans are inactive. This is unfortunate, because over the past ten years, after rewatching the film and series annually, I've come to find subtle cues and elements in both the TV anime and movie that show K-On! as a whole is as deep, meaningful and insightful as philosophical "masterpieces" like Ergo Proxy or Legend of the Galactic Heroes. For instance, during the second season, an episode that portrays Azusa spending time with Ui and Jun comes across as being extraneous at first glance, but after careful analysis, it turns out this side story, seemingly throwaway filler, actually foreshadows the manga's events and becomes something the movie greatly expands on (my blog post covers this much more thoroughly). Things like these are worth considering because they show K-On! as being significantly more than what the community has made it out to be. It's a clever touch that speaks to how much thought and consideration went into K-On!, showing just how deep friendships and music can be.
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2023-10-01, 07:17 | Link #2145 |
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I'm kinda late watching K-On after ignoring it for over a decade. I finally watched it last December and I'd say that it's one of the best anime I have ever seen. I also read the manga but the anime made it feel so alive. The anime adaption seems to be one of those that were created with love and care, not just a cash cow. It just goes to show that Kyoto Animation really did a splendid job with most of their works.
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