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2011-10-26, 13:09 | Link #282 | |
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Well actually I am going to go further and say FMA didn't present the theme of "imperfect but beautiful world at all". Besides Roy telling Riza that the world is beautiful because of it's imperfections does the series ever show that? If it did it did a very poor job in my opinion. I mean how was this "beautiful world" shown in the first series? It wasn't at all. We barely got to know Amestris much less the rest of the FMA world. With Kino's journey on the other hand it showed the beautiful yet imperfect world in every episode. It was a constant theme not just one that felt tacked on the end. Now I am not going to completely put down the first series because if you take out "the beautiful world" aspect I think it is a series that shows "you don't always get what you want". This is not a bad theme & I think the first series did a good job with it but it's not entirely original either. Seems to be a theme in quite a few of my favorite Noir Films (talking about Hollywood films with less than happy endings btw).
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Or if that, certain trope doesn't hit you then there's always The Bittersweet Endings, and of course series where the Main Hero Dies, or series where anyone in the cast can die, etc. And yes everyone of those links leads to examples. If you've never seen any tv series, comic book, live-action series, western animated series, with a sad or bittersweet ending then you don't know that particular media very well. Quote:
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Again, I don't care. I do not care about whether a series I watch is perceived as juvenile, and I do not care about whether I myself am perceived as juvenile. Hence, why I posted the C.S. Lewis quote and asked why you seem to care so much.[/QUOTE] Again the only one who was behaving like a dark elements makes a series good and mature is you. This was essentially why everyone has been on your case for the last couple of pages, so trying to pretend that you never said that or acted that way right now just makes you look like a fool. |
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The site you posted argues that happy endings are the standard, for which a professional writer says the same. According to TV Tropes, it’s such an omnipresent trope that it doesn’t even warrant its own page (“Far, far too common to provide example”). Likewise, there are entire fictional genres largely dedicated to happy endings. Romantic comedies almost always end in happy endings. The same can be said for most Hollywood popcorn flicks, the majority of action movies, the vast majority of comedies, the majority of romances, and the majority of teen movies. In comparison, only the uncommonly used play genre of Tragedy is primarily pessimistic. 15 to 1 wouldn’t be a far off assessment. People don’t go to the movies to be depressed, and I’m amazed that we’re even debating this when a simple look at the box office can provide you with the answer.
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If a scenario like that comes off to you as purely ugly and grim then I don't know what would qualify as beautiful or optimistic. And it's not as if this theme is particularly subtle, either. It's verbally mentioned four times within a direct sequence of episodes: first by Dante in those exact words, secondly by Hohenheim, thrice by Ed as he attempts to retrieve his brother's soul without an equal sacrifice, and on the fourth time, Dante's exact line is repeated in verbatim by Roy Mustang. This isn't like those books that you were made to read during high school where you had to scan through 50 pages in order to figure out the theme. Quote:
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This is a special type of insanity. This is the first debate, that I've been involved in, in which I've basically had to argue that I'm indeed a Democrat, like I say I am, and not a Republican. Usually people are rational enough to accept personal statements about beliefs and tastes at face value. I'm not going to sit around with a Protestant, in an attempt to convince them that they're really a Hindu. Last edited by LunarMoon; 2011-10-26 at 22:39. |
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Dennou Coil Sh15uya Digimon Tamers (for the kiddies) Both Rurouni Kenshin OVAs-- the original manga had a happier ending Revolutionary Girl Utena tv series Neon Genesis Evangelion Escaflowne Macross Zero Kikaider Bokurano Shadow Star Naru Taru Doubt Cutey Honey the Live Deep Love Chrno Crusade-- Ironically the manga had a happier ending Princess Tutu Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann That was from the top of my head. Quote:
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Its the same thing with how they treated the female characters, they did it for more cheap drama, to gain a reaction out of you, with out thinking back on what they were implying, and again you never answered my question what was the point to having Rose a character we don't know and don't care about raped? I can't even say that both brothers get the focus because the 2003 series was all about Ed. Al was just Ed's accessory. Quote:
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MLK: …although our movement may come off as extremely liberal to some- O’ Reilly: Do you love America? MLK: I’m sorry- O’ Reilly: Why can’t liberals ever answer that question? Say you love America! Say it! And the entire discussion becomes based around something that amounted to a throwaway comment. Knowing that I actually did speak about Brotherhood’s lighthearted atmosphere does inform me that someone could have actually misinterpreted the post, in a manner that doesn’t involve doing so intentionally in order to start a flame war or in order to troll bait, though I don’t agree with basing the entire debate around three sentences, as if there isn’t any possible, logical reason to prefer FMA 2003 to Brotherhood. Originally, I created those three sentences as a response to the multiple people who regularly dismiss Full Metal Alchemist, and similar anime, as being “emo” or for “forcing drama”. My argument was that the tragedy in FMA 2003 wasn’t some sort of horrific flaw, but that, if anything, it provided a refreshing change from the shows that shy away from it. Quote:
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FMA 2003 is an “entertaining” work, in my eyes, though it’s higher on the scale than many others. The ideas that it presents are used far less often than many others and, in my opinion, are developed very well, even if I can’t see it being relevant enough to become a part of human literary canon in one hundred years. FMA Brotherhood is also an “entertaining” work though I rank it lower than FMA 2003, because I find the ideas that it explores to be more commonly used. Of course, how I rank something on this scale has little to do with how much I actually enjoy it. I don’t agree with many facets of Objectivism, at all, but I still rank Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugs, as higher than the majority of the stuff that I do actually like, due to how insanely influential it’s ideas have been over the last few decades. That’s also why I ranked the first three episodes of Fate Zero below FMA 2003. So far, it’s one of the most entertaining shows I’ve ever seen. It’s also the only one that I’m currently following and I typically catch it within thirty minutes of its NicoNico release. But it hasn’t presented its main idea yet, so I can’t fairly rate it on the scale, especially considering the fact that it’s 24 episode series and only four episodes have been released, so it wouldn’t be logical to rate the series as whole. I’m also a Type Moon fan, so I place an extra degree of work into not overrating it or allowing my biases to influence the ranking. Of course, as critically acclaimed as it is, even by Type Moon noobies, I think it’s safe to say that it really is as good as I think it is. Spoiler for Tangent Comparison Between Fate Zero and FMA 2003:
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Ed was actually really competent. Far more so than most teenage protagonists such as Fate Route Shirou Emiya or Loyd Irving, but I do agree that Alphonse and Dante kept passing around the idiot ball as if it was a sport. The only decision that Al made independently in that series was extremely idiotic, and involved him trusting a child killer with his well-being. After this, he then proceeded help another villain, albeit one that looked like his mother, almost murder his brother. He immediately followed this by getting himself kidnapped. You'd also think that someone such as Dante, who had lived for over 400 years, would have come up with a better security system, as you'd expect, simply by probability, that someone other than Ed and Roy would have figured out the same thing that they did and infiltrated her hideout. But as long as I view the other assets of the series as being strrong, I can generally suspend my disbelief past comparatively minor points such this, especially since Ed's hypercompetence makes up for Al's incompetence. Quote:
Gantz was racist. There was only one black character to appear throughout the entire run, and the entire motif around his character was that he wanted to rape a supporting character. X-Men First Class was also pretty questionable, in that it presented one black character and he was the only one to be killed off, while the remainder of white cast remained untouched. But saying that FMA 2003 is racist seems like a bit of a stretch. Quote:
On the other hand, Envy, in FMA Brotherhood, was given a sympathetic death, complete with sad music, and a series of physical fumbles, but it was very difficult to be sympathetic towards him. The guy had murdered God knows how many people, so it's difficult to feel sorry for him because he's jealous of humanity's concept of friendship. I was actually more sympathetic to Nagato of Fushigi Yuugi, a notoriously poorly done Sympathetic Villain, because he had a genuine Freudian Excuse. Also, I agree with you about Al being an accessory, and that’s one of the things that Brotherhood does better than FMA 2003. He was much more capable of making his own decisions in Brotherhood, though in terms of screen time, Al appeared about as much as Ed, in the 2003 series, and it’s thematically focused on their relationship, which is why I say that the show focused on both of the brothers. Quote:
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Also if you think that anime using drama and tragedy to invoke a sense of pathos is anything new then you haven't much anime, heck you haven't read much at all. Again you aren't even considering how well that drama and tragedy fit in, with the over all narrative. Which is why I continued to ask you the what the point was to all of that drama none of which you've actually been able to answer, instead all you've done is just summarize the event, as though I've never seen the series before. As though saying it again will make it have a point. That is the reason why people call the drama and angst in the 2003 series emo, because it was simply pointless. Its ironic that you call the 2003 realistic (which I've notice that you've stopped doing so) because of its dark drama, because it simply isn't. Quote:
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2012-04-03, 15:02 | Link #288 |
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Yo peeps. My friend and I are starting a FMA RP. It's open to all.
http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=793 |
2012-05-23, 11:16 | Link #289 |
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Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood PSP Game on PC
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You know the game for the PSP Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood? I think it was released only in Japan, the USA and England. I created a video tutorial on how to run the game on a PC through an emulator Jpcsp. Enjoy in 1080p Full HD! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5t8MiXdLAY&hd=1 All links for programs are in description. Trailer for PSP Game Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce_SK-CdI5A&hd=1 and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7zpTFbFcaI |
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Just got done watching the series, gotta say its become a favorite of mine. Ed and Roy are my favorite characters, all of them in a way have charm though and love the comedy and action scenes. Animation did get a little odd at times whenever they'd do a joke about Ed being short it does other than that. Now that I've watched the entire series, I miss it *cries*
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So I have been collecting the manga while watching Brotherhood in Netflix. However, I notice there are some changes in both media and I wanted to know if it was because Arakawa was more into the anime:
*Who taught Van Hohenheim alchemy? Was it Homunculus/Father or the master of the Xerxes slaves? *Were there some touches in regards to the violence? While I found King Bradley slicing one of the chimeras in fourth parts, in the manga we didn't see so much gore. *Something similar happens when Edward takes down a weakened Pride. In the manga part of Pride's upperpart of his body disappears while the anime kind of tones it down a bit. Also, a bit of shipping but were Ed and Winry already a couple before the finale? Sounds like a lack of common sense from me but Ed's marriage proposition to Winry might imply the two were already a thing before. Also, yeah this is probably the best series I watched/read. The only thing that disappointed me is that we never saw much of Xing. |
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