2010-02-19, 08:43 | Link #1 |
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Speculation on The Future of the Haruhi Anime Franchise, post-Disappearance
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not sure if this should be here but... with the haruhi movie finished... and with kyoani working on k-on season 2... does that mean, REALLY mean that the rest of the novels won't be animated? [Mod Note: This thread was a tangent split off from the Disappearance movie News & Anticipation thread.] Last edited by relentlessflame; 2010-02-20 at 17:16. Reason: topic split |
2010-02-19, 11:44 | Link #3 |
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You know, personally I don't buy it either, and have said so many times. But this has been going on for years now (for as long as Haruhi and KyoAni have been popular), and it doesn't show any signs of stopping. So it's easier to just recognize what's going on and move on rather than dwelling on it.
Yeah, as was said above, it doesn't necessarily mean that. For years now, Kyoto Animation has basically alternated between projects for two main customers: Kadokawa and Pony Canyon. Haruhi is a Kadokawa production, and K-On!(!) is a Pony Canyon production. So if the pattern continues, we can expect their next show to be for Kadokawa. I would sort of guess that they might take a little break from Haruhi though just to do something new for a change, but that doesn't by any means they're done with Haruhi, especially if the rumours are true and the author starts releasing the novels again.
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I'm not going to go into the Nanoha movie thread too because I know Nanoha fans are rabid. Really, rabid Though that 'IT'S THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!!!' comment was rather uncalled for, though. Quote:
Just because they're working on K-ON! season 2 doesn't mean they'll abandon Haruhi. Though it is highly possible they'll make us wait a while for new episodes... |
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2010-02-19, 13:44 | Link #5 |
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Haruhi isn't necessarily KyoAni's "biggest cash cow" anymore.
K-On! sold way better in 2009 than Haruhi 2009 did, and I think that K-On! sold better than even Haruhi 2006 did. I'm certainly not saying that I like this, but it's the facts, and it's facts that KyoAni themselves have to be considering. Haruhi isn't necessarily KyoAni's flagship title anymore... and if it isn't, it only makes commercial sense for Kyoani to focus more on K-On! (unless Season 2 exhausts all possible material there, of course). Also, one thing I strongly dislike is... 1) How some Haruhi fans talk about KyoAni "trolling", and... 2) Talk about this like it's a good thing. I think the "trolling" argument is overstated. Viral marketing may very well have been something that KyoAni was guilty of, but I'm not sure if I would call that "trolling", per se. Also, given how incredibly long Volume 10 has taken so far, I'm not sure how 'soon' its arrival will be. Chances are there will be more Haruhi anime material, but if there's one thing that we fans of this anime/light novel franchise should know by now, it's to be very cautious, and to be very patient. And to not assume anything.
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2010-02-19, 13:52 | Link #6 |
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I think practically everything you said is more applicable to Kadokawa (other than the fact that K-ON! is a cash cow for KyoAni). KyoAni doesn't do merch or stuff like that. They're just an animation studio.
But that line has tended to be blurred around here. Does anyone have any insight into precisely the way it works between a Production company and a Studio?
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But KyoAni's 'trolling' is also good in the sense that they actually care about the series enough to create 'troll-material'. I myself haven't experienced much of the so-called trolling, but I believe that while there's a brief period of disappointment after the truth is revealed, I look forward to them actually producing the things they hype. Think of it as a stepping stone to the actual thing, if you will. Quote:
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I don't think any fans know what's going to happen with the franchise; only the executives at Kadokawa and maybe KyoAni do. I'd love to hear that there will be new episodes as soon as this fall in addition to the tenth novel, but I don't think it'll come out that way or anything resembling that. Patience will hold us through the tough times (just like a wait for DVD/Blu-Ray release for Shōshitsu).
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Also are you sure the ones talking about Kyoani "trolling" as a good thing aren't the types that think everything Kyoani does is a stroke of masterful genius on top of buying into the idea that the business world is somehow anything like 4chan? I think the source needs to be considered in the cases you describe. |
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Anyway, to bring thing back around to the main point again, Kyoto Animation is almost certainly going to keep on animating projects in partnership with Kadokawa, and Haruhi has been a proven solid seller. What other properties to Kadokawa have on hand that have a reliable chance of being an even better seller? Even though K-On is selling well, Kyoto Animation still needs other projects as well to fill up their schedule. So it's not as if the two properties are really "in competition" with each other anyway. Oh, I'm hurt! Well, not like the business practices of these companies is all that exciting, but it's not if we can restrict the thread entirely to nothing but strict movie-only talk either. So long as it doesn't get too far out-of-hand and venture straight into off-topic territory.
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2010-02-19, 20:03 | Link #13 |
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I doubt that a show like K-On! would even survive three years between seasons so for this long pause Haruhi did quite well. I also think that KyoAni really chose the right episodes for the first "season", because I think the second season was not so well-received because the novel material wasn't as good (beside the Endless Eight stretching^^). I read the Sigh novel after I watched the episodes and KyoAni really improved it. I enjoyed the Melancholy novel on the other hand and I watched the anime episodes about 4-5 times before reading it.
The 2nd "season" really looked to me like training for "Disappearance" and it looks like Haruhi still does enough money to justify a new series. Perhaps the next Kadokawa series will be more Full Metal Panic because this is series that does also internationally very well and there seems to be a demand for it. Furthermore, the creator still works quite often for KyoAni, so I really think (and hope^^) that FMP will be the next Kadokawa project. Then they can do more Haruhi, perhaps spring or fall 2011.
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Little Busters would be Pony Canyon, wouldn't it? It might be possible to do FMP in fall 2010, Little Busters in spring 2011 and Haruhi "S3" in fall 2011. Then everybody should be satisfied (if there's really no more LS material).
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There is a lot of bias invested into the first version of an adaptation that one sees. This is why so many fansub watchers hate English dubs, and why so many fans of books and manga hate their movie or television series adaptations. Sure, there are some bad adaptations and dubs, but "horrible" adaptations and dubs are far less common than one thinks. Often people who "never read the book or the manga", or who "saw it first on Adult Swim" still prefer the adaptation even after later seeing/reading the original. What KyoAni does so well (when they do it) is keep the best that the source material has to offer, but don't make themselves slaves to that source material when it wouldn't work in an anime format. Best examples of this are easily Live Alive and Day of Sagittarius. In the former, they took the vague details present in the original novel chapter and leveraged Aya Hirano's star power and the fans' predilection for snappy music, bumped the animation budget a bit, and managed to very successfully hide the thinnest plot in the novels in one of the series' most popular episodes. In the latter, they managed to turn some necessarily dry novel material into a rousing tribute to Space Battleship Yamato and "Gun**m", while keeping the simple but effective plot and character advancement. And since novel sources are almost by definition more detailed than their television/movie adaptations, the adaptation-first fans get a treat when they pick up the novel and find new things in it to tickle their fancy. It's win-win.
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2010-02-19, 23:52 | Link #20 |
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I would contest that with Clannad After Stories wonky ass ending as an example of what works for a game format not necessarily working for the anime format. Honestly I've always felt the exact opposite, that they are very much slaves to the source material, for better or for worse.
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