2004-11-08, 07:55 | Link #1 |
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Gundam Seed, Gundam Wing, The Difference
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I just got done watching episode four, OMG- I love Gundam..Well thats not true I love gundam wing and I love gundam Seed. Anyways, I never expect the ending when it happens.. When the ending comes I am just like WTF..That was to short, and then I wait for another week. MOVING ON, I have one problem with Seed vs Wing. In Wing there are TWO times someone dis-obeys a direct order while on a ship/base. One of those times is when Traize comes to destory moble dolls and the commander in the base tells the soldier to fire on him but the soldier says no, then again the soldier works for traize so I don't know if that counts. The Second time was on Lybra I think in episode 48? When that blonde girl jumps on Zex to stop him from blowing Traize out of exitance. (Funny both are around Traize) But in Seed/Destiny EVERYONE ALWAYS is like WAIT! Shouldn't we re-consider? These are soldiers disputing direct orders. On a ship! I forget her name but the woman captain from Seed (not the main one the one with black hair..) SHE IS ALWAYS dis-obeying orders..Wtf? I hated her so much that when she was getting shot I was laughing. How dare her question EVERY order. Anyways. In Wing this kind of thing never happend. I don't know its the only thing that bothers me about gundam other then in space when things blow up or get damaged the smoke is flying up instead of staying put since their is no gravity. |
2004-11-08, 08:26 | Link #2 |
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The only ones with formal military training on the SEED bridge are Ramius, Badgiruel and the four petty officers. Neither Ramius or Badgiruel are trained from the beginning as ship commanders and it's really a live or die situation so they go through things first. There aren't very many scenes with direct disobeying of orders.
Badgiruel questions the orders she receives since she's trained to be a hardcore military woman whilst Ramius is a lot more gentle. I'm not annoyed by this, but I'm annoyed by Wing in its entirety :P |
2004-11-08, 10:31 | Link #4 |
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I'd say when you have superiors as insane as Azrael or as clueless as Ramius, it's only natural to disobey their orders.
The difference in Gundam SEED and Gundam Wing? well, the Gundams in SEED is not invincible so they actually dodge attacks instead of those Gundams in Wing where they don't even care to dodge attacks. |
2004-11-08, 11:01 | Link #5 | |
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2004-11-08, 12:25 | Link #6 |
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Same with Duo, it was ridiculous.
But in SEED they still have the "only a Gundam can defeat a Gundam" theme. I'd much rather see some really kick-ass enemy designs á la Z and ZZ and Victory instead of Gundam after Gundam after Gundam. I mean, the power of a MS is not determined by whether or not it has a facemask and a V-antenna :/ |
2004-11-09, 09:06 | Link #7 | |
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2004-11-09, 16:52 | Link #9 | |
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Personally, I believe they're totally different series. The main characters in Wing were involved in war most of their lives, not so with SEED. |
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2004-11-09, 18:13 | Link #10 | |
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Strike was damaged quite severely by Creuset but then again he is the main villain, so I'm not sure if that really counts - we never saw a random grunt-piloted GuAIZ hurt a Gundam, even if they are, according to stats, just as good as or better than a first-generation GAT-X MS. I want more Qubeleys, Messala's and Gaplants! I want fewer Gundams :/ |
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2004-11-09, 21:24 | Link #13 | |
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The pain of Kira facing his best friend and being a traitor to his people all throughout the first half of the series was paid off with him finally not being alone against such impossible odds any longer. Ending SEED like you said would have made it only mediocre, the gradual culmination of plot points in the second half of the series made it great. |
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2004-11-09, 22:24 | Link #15 | |
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SEED focused on first; dealing with the conviction that anyone, no matter who you are has someone to protect, something to carry on and that war is necessary in order to protect those things precious to you, second; that you can't act purely as a weapon, this will result in a massacre and will ultimately prolong suffering, you need to search for the right way to fight it, a way that doesn't result in one side completely being wiped out. |
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2004-11-09, 22:55 | Link #16 |
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uh....yea it would.
two characters, Close childhood friends? due to "conflict" between the peoples, they were forced into combat against one another ending with the death of both of them? i said "watching this anime" only SEED, nothing beyond, nothing before. "war is necessary", "you can't act purely as a weapon" ....what the hell is war then?....the purpose of war is to win. why would u fight to lose? r u trying to say war is peaceful? war is reasonable? war is NECESSARY? "protect those things precious to you"- Kira's father tried to protect the "coordinators" reign/position in the world. Earth tried to protect the well being of the future of humanity/normals. Thats a loaded statement. |
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2004-11-09, 23:01 | Link #18 | |
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War is pointless? Why has non-fictional/fictional society built upon those 'pointless' things that mark their existence? Kira/Athrun killing each other would be horrible, no doubt.. But that wouldn't prove to the viewer that it would be pointless, especially since that wasn't what the plot was building up to in the first place. Kira fighting against his own people and his best friend was to prove how painful war is and how important it is to protect those that you love and even while participating in the most wretched of events that you never waiver in stopping injustice. Maybe you should watch the first half over again and pay attention to what the main character faces and what his decisions are. |
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2004-11-09, 23:17 | Link #19 |
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Im saying its pointless in the way that its always back and forth, back and forth with little effect on the ending except in the destruction.
YES, " People would still be fighting, still killing each other and who knows, maybe new heroes would have emerged." thats my POINT. it will be CONTINOUS. this EMPHASIZES the POINTLESS part of it. With the destruction that will accompany these "fights", it makes war "stupid". 'I kill you because u killed my brother.' Its a fricken NEVER ENDING CHAIN. kira fights because he has to fight. he is placed into a position where there is no choice. either he fight, or he die along w/ his "friends". what is kira fighting for? -to protect friends on ship what are the coordinators fighting for? -to protect their families what are the naturals fighting for? - to protect their families ONLY a FEW extremists fight to KILL the other with NOTHING to protect. EVEN Kira's father fights to protect "coordinators" place in the world. ALMOST EVERY1 IS FIGHTING to PROTECT SOME1. obviously, i realize the "plot" continues in destiny. thus i made this, only for seed. |
2004-11-09, 23:32 | Link #20 | |
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