[Manga] Chapter 376 Discussion

[Hunter]

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[That Other Ninja]

Booya first post.

[Negs]

post up them spoilers~

[The Chaos]

Originally Posted by Negs

post up them spoilers~

the real one .....please not fake .......

[itachi29al]

Spoiler for 1:

Front page is Sandaime and a small Jiraiya

Jiraiya's face looks like a frog's
The frogs on his shoulders talk about Jiraiya's current situation in a comedic manner
Pain summons a praying mantis
Jiraiya beats it down
The chameleon is found and Pain comes out
Konan and Pain talk
Pain makes a seal

Spoiler for 2:

佩恩：“自来也老师原来也藏似呀，转象之术。”
Pein : "Jiraiya's teacher can hide too, changing looks jutsu"(...weird sentence structure)

Shld be: "Jiraiya sensei", not "Jiraiya's teacher", and i think that last bit is Pain casting some kind of morphing jutsu.


地上出现一个跟自来也一模一样的人物（无2个青蛙头），同时对自来也进行进攻。
2 people looking exactly like Jiraiya comes out of the earth, together attacking Jiraiya.

Shld be: "1 person/creature who looks like Jiraiya (minus the 2 frog/toad heads)", not "2 people".

Spoiler for 3, the person claims it from himajin:

綱手の茶碗にヒビが入る描写
Tsunade's tea cup cracks
地雷の場面に移り、仙人モードの解説
Switch to Jiraiya's scene, Senin mode commentary
仙人モードは簡単に言うと
Senin mode is, simply put,
口寄せで呼び出した特別なカエルとの融合みたいな感じです
A fusion with a special type of summoned frog
仙人モードで地雷が優勢に攻め込むところで終わり
With Senin mode, Jiraiya dominating the attacks and it ends

There all probely fake, but hey this thread needed somthing.

[Zoe]

Originally Posted by itachi29al

Spoiler for 3, the person claims it from himajin:

綱手の茶碗にヒビが入る描写
Tsunade's tea cup cracks
地雷の場面に移り、仙人モードの解説
Switch to Jiraiya's scene, Senin mode commentary
仙人モードは簡単に言うと
Senin mode is, simply put,
口寄せで呼び出した特別なカエルとの融合みたいな感じです
A fusion with a special type of summoned frog
仙人モードで地雷が優勢に攻め込むところで終わり
With Senin mode, Jiraiya dominating the attacks and it ends

There all probely fake, but hey this thread needed somthing.

That one was copied and pasted as if it was from Himajin, but I couldn't find the original thread it was supposed to have come from. I'm thinking it was a spoof.

Spoiler for most likely one so far:

扉、自来也が巻物に契約のサインしてるとこ
Title page, Jiraiya is signing a contract on a scroll

カメレオンの中のペイン
Pain inside the chameleon
ペイン(!?今までとチャクラの質がちがう…)
Pain (!? The quality of the chakra up till now is different...)

カエルの顔した自来也の両肩にカエルが乗っかってる
Frogs are riding on both shoulders of the frog-faced Jiraiya
姐「自来也よぉ、どこに六道の目のやつがおるんじゃ？」
Sis: Jiraiya, where's the Rikudou-eye guy?
自来也「今は口寄せしたやつの中に入って消えとるんです」
Jiraiya: He went inside of the summon and disappeared
頭「なるほどなぁ、んで自来也、やっぱりアレを使うっちゅーんか？」
Boss: I see, so Jiraiya, you're really gonna use that?
姐「アレは疲れるゆーたやろ」
Sis: That will wear you out
自来也「はぁ、しかしアイツにはそれしか…」
Jiraiya: Yeah, but against this guy nothing else...
頭「母ちゃん、やらにゃあアカンみたいやの」
Boss: Kaa-chan, < ?? need to think about this line a bit>
姐「しゃーないの、いくで」
Sis: There's no choice, let's go
自来也「頼みます」
Jiraiya: Thanks

ペイン(なんだ？先生の様子が今までと違う…)
Pain (what? Sensei's appearance is different from before...)
ペインがまた口寄せしてカマキリを出す
Pain summons a praying mantis
自来也(やはり口寄せか…)
Jiraiya (Of course, a summon...)
自来也「頭!!!」
Jiraiya: Boss!!!
頭「おぅ」
Boss: Yeah
自来也＆頭『蝦蟇油炎弾!!』
Jiraiya and Boss: Toad Oil Flame Bullet
カマキリ燃える
The praying mantis gets burned up
ペインがいのしし口寄せ
Pain summons a boar
頭「なんじゃ？口寄せばっかしてきよってからに」
Boss: What? He just did a summon
自来也「そうなんです…アイツなら…長門ならもっと多くの術を使ってきていいはずなんですがの ぉ」
Jiraiya: Yeah... that guy... If it were Nagato he should be using a wider variety of jutsu, but...
頭「ん～なんか裏がありそうじゃーのぉ」
Boss: Hmmm~ looks like the bottom
姐「とりあえずはやつを引っ張り出さんことには始まりゃせんわい」
Sis: Anyway, let's start by pulling him out
自来也「はい、姐さん!!!」
Jiraiya: Yes, Sis!!!
姐「いくぞ」
Sis: Let's go
自来也＆姐『蝦蟇油炎柱!!』
Jiraiya and Sis: Toad Oil Flame Pillar!!
いのしし燃える
The boar burns up
自来也「お二人、次のが出る前に…」
Jiraiya: You two, before we do the next...
姐「わかっとる」
Sis: I know
頭「しかし母ちゃん…」
Boss: But Kaa-chan...

姐「黙らんかい！」
Sis: Shut it!
姐が目を閉じる
Sis closes her eyes
姐「おった！あそこだ！あのパイプの影じゃ！」
Sis: There! It's over there! The shadow of that pipe!
自来也「よし、捕まっててください」
Jiraiya: Ok, please catch him
自来也が飛んで近づく
Jiraiya jumps and approaches
ペイン(!?見つかったか…)
Pain(!? He found me...)
カメレオンが姿を現す
The chameleon appears
カメレオンの口からペインが出て、カメレオンが自来也に突っ込む
Pain exits the chameleon's mouth, the chameleon thrusts into Jiraiya
自来也「くっ!?」
Jiraiya: Huh!?
自来也『螺旋丸!!!』
Jiraiya: Rasengan!!!
カメレオン消える
Chameleon is wiped out
目を閉じたペインが足場の平らな所に立ってる
Pain closes his eyes and stands in a place with level footing
頭「こっからが本番じゃのぉ…いよいよアレを…」
Boss: From here on it's the real thing... That...
自来也「お頭、ちょっとお待ちを」
Jiraiya: Boss, please wait
頭「なんじゃい？」
Boss: What?
姐「空気を読まんかい！あれでもやつは自来也の弟子じゃ、話があるじゃろ、自来也？」
Sis: Read the situation! That guy is Jiraiya's student, there's probably something to talk about, Jiraiya?
自来也「はい、少し気になることがありまして…」
Jiraiya: Yes, there something that I'm wondering about...
自来也とペインが向かいあってる
Jiraiya and Pain face eachother
自来也「長門…わしを直接殺すのがイヤで口寄せにやらせたのか？」
Jiraiya: Nagato... You're not going to kill me with your own hands but with summons?
ペイン「…」
Pain: ...

ペインが目を開ける
Pain opens his eyes
頭「おぉ!!」
Boss: Ah!!
姐「ホンマに六道の目じゃの」
Sis: It's the real Rikudou-eye
自来也「長門、お前にはいろんな術を…」
Jiraiya: Nagato, I taught you a lot of jutsu...
ペイン「口寄せしかしないんじゃない…口寄せしかできないのさ」
Pain: It's not that there's only summons... I can only do summons
自来也「なにぃ!?」
Jiraiya: What!?
姐と頭も驚いた表情
Boss and Sis have surprised faces

ペイン「先生…アナタも様子が変わりましたね…」
Pain: Sensei... Your appearance has also changed...
自来也「も？たしかにこの術で容姿は変わった。しかしお前のように中身まで変わっとらんのぉ。 …それより、 なぜ口寄せしかできん？」
Jiraiya: And? This jutsu changes your appearance. But you've even changed on the inside. ...That aside, why can you only do summons?
ペイン「この体だからですよ…」
Pain: It's this body...
自来也「この体？どういうことだ？」
Jiraiya: This body? What does that mean?
ペイン「オレは１人ではない」
Pain: I am not one person
自来也(!?)
Jiraiya (!?)
ペイン「オレがこの名を名乗る前。長門という名を捨てるきっかけが弥彦の死」
Pain: Before I gave myself this name. I threw away the name Nagato with Yahiko's death
自来也「やはり弥彦は死んでおったか」
Jiraiya: So Yahiko's dead
ペイン「その時オレも一度死んでる」
Pain: At that time I was also dead
自来也の驚いた表情
Jiraiya has a surprised face


"ペイン誕生の裏には一体何が!?"
What the hell is at the bottom of the birth of Pain!?

次回「友の死」
Next time: Friend's death

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Zoe

That one was copied and pasted as if it was from Himajin, but I couldn't find the original thread it was supposed to have come from. I'm thinking it was a spoof.

Spoiler for most likely one so far:

扉、自来也が巻物に契約のサインしてるとこ
Title page, Jiraiya is signing a contract on a scroll

カメレオンの中のペイン
Pain inside the chameleon
ペイン(!?今までとチャクラの質がちがう…)
Pain (!? The quality of the chakra up till now is different...)

カエルの顔した自来也の両肩にカエルが乗っかってる
Frogs are riding on both shoulders of the frog-faced Jiraiya
姐「自来也よぉ、どこに六道の目のやつがおるんじゃ？」
Sis: Jiraiya, where's the Rikudou-eye guy?
自来也「今は口寄せしたやつの中に入って消えとるんです」
Jiraiya: He went inside of the summon and disappeared
頭「なるほどなぁ、んで自来也、やっぱりアレを使うっちゅーんか？」
Boss: I see, so Jiraiya, you're really gonna use that?
姐「アレは疲れるゆーたやろ」
Sis: That will wear you out
自来也「はぁ、しかしアイツにはそれしか…」
Jiraiya: Yeah, but against this guy nothing else...
頭「母ちゃん、やらにゃあアカンみたいやの」
Boss: Kaa-chan, < ?? need to think about this line a bit>
姐「しゃーないの、いくで」
Sis: There's no choice, let's go
自来也「頼みます」
Jiraiya: Thanks

ペイン(なんだ？先生の様子が今までと違う…)
Pain (what? Sensei's appearance is different from before...)
ペインがまた口寄せしてカマキリを出す
Pain summons a praying mantis
自来也(やはり口寄せか…)
Jiraiya (Of course, a summon...)
自来也「頭!!!」
Jiraiya: Boss!!!
頭「おぅ」
Boss: Yeah
自来也＆頭『蝦蟇油炎弾!!』
Jiraiya and Boss: Toad Oil Flame Bullet
カマキリ燃える
The praying mantis gets burned up
ペインがいのしし口寄せ
Pain summons a boar
頭「なんじゃ？口寄せばっかしてきよってからに」
Boss: What? He just did a summon
自来也「そうなんです…アイツなら…長門ならもっと多くの術を使ってきていいはずなんですがの ぉ」
Jiraiya: Yeah... that guy... If it were Nagato he should be using a wider variety of jutsu, but...
頭「ん～なんか裏がありそうじゃーのぉ」
Boss: Hmmm~ looks like the bottom
姐「とりあえずはやつを引っ張り出さんことには始まりゃせんわい」
Sis: Anyway, let's start by pulling him out
自来也「はい、姐さん!!!」
Jiraiya: Yes, Sis!!!
姐「いくぞ」
Sis: Let's go
自来也＆姐『蝦蟇油炎柱!!』
Jiraiya and Sis: Toad Oil Flame Pillar!!
いのしし燃える
The boar burns up
自来也「お二人、次のが出る前に…」
Jiraiya: You two, before we do the next...
姐「わかっとる」
Sis: I know
頭「しかし母ちゃん…」
Boss: But Kaa-chan...

姐「黙らんかい！」
Sis: Shut it!
姐が目を閉じる
Sis closes her eyes
姐「おった！あそこだ！あのパイプの影じゃ！」
Sis: There! It's over there! The shadow of that pipe!
自来也「よし、捕まっててください」
Jiraiya: Ok, please catch him
自来也が飛んで近づく
Jiraiya jumps and approaches
ペイン(!?見つかったか…)
Pain(!? He found me...)
カメレオンが姿を現す
The chameleon appears
カメレオンの口からペインが出て、カメレオンが自来也に突っ込む
Pain exits the chameleon's mouth, the chameleon thrusts into Jiraiya
自来也「くっ!?」
Jiraiya: Huh!?
自来也『螺旋丸!!!』
Jiraiya: Rasengan!!!
カメレオン消える
Chameleon is wiped out
目を閉じたペインが足場の平らな所に立ってる
Pain closes his eyes and stands in a place with level footing
頭「こっからが本番じゃのぉ…いよいよアレを…」
Boss: From here on it's the real thing... That...
自来也「お頭、ちょっとお待ちを」
Jiraiya: Boss, please wait
頭「なんじゃい？」
Boss: What?
姐「空気を読まんかい！あれでもやつは自来也の弟子じゃ、話があるじゃろ、自来也？」
Sis: Read the situation! That guy is Jiraiya's student, there's probably something to talk about, Jiraiya?
自来也「はい、少し気になることがありまして…」
Jiraiya: Yes, there something that I'm wondering about...
自来也とペインが向かいあってる
Jiraiya and Pain face eachother
自来也「長門…わしを直接殺すのがイヤで口寄せにやらせたのか？」
Jiraiya: Nagato... You're not going to kill me with your own hands but with summons?
ペイン「…」
Pain: ...

ペインが目を開ける
Pain opens his eyes
頭「おぉ!!」
Boss: Ah!!
姐「ホンマに六道の目じゃの」
Sis: It's the real Rikudou-eye
自来也「長門、お前にはいろんな術を…」
Jiraiya: Nagato, I taught you a lot of jutsu...
ペイン「口寄せしかしないんじゃない…口寄せしかできないのさ」
Pain: It's not that there's only summons... I can only do summons
自来也「なにぃ!?」
Jiraiya: What!?
姐と頭も驚いた表情
Boss and Sis have surprised faces

ペイン「先生…アナタも様子が変わりましたね…」
Pain: Sensei... Your appearance has also changed...
自来也「も？たしかにこの術で容姿は変わった。しかしお前のように中身まで変わっとらんのぉ。 …それより、 なぜ口寄せしかできん？」
Jiraiya: And? This jutsu changes your appearance. But you've even changed on the inside. ...That aside, why can you only do summons?
ペイン「この体だからですよ…」
Pain: It's this body...
自来也「この体？どういうことだ？」
Jiraiya: This body? What does that mean?
ペイン「オレは１人ではない」
Pain: I am not one person
自来也(!?)
Jiraiya (!?)
ペイン「オレがこの名を名乗る前。長門という名を捨てるきっかけが弥彦の死」
Pain: Before I gave myself this name. I threw away the name Nagato with Yahiko's death
自来也「やはり弥彦は死んでおったか」
Jiraiya: So Yahiko's dead
ペイン「その時オレも一度死んでる」
Pain: At that time I was also dead
自来也の驚いた表情
Jiraiya has a surprised face


"ペイン誕生の裏には一体何が!?"
What the hell is at the bottom of the birth of Pain!?

次回「友の死」
Next time: Friend's death

*laughs* I knew it. Another traumatized childhood.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

*laughs* I knew it. Another traumatized childhood.

It will probably show an alternative story which is similar to Naruto-Sasuke but where one dies and the other cannot help it and then becomes a different kind of man. If Naruto cannot save Sasuke maybe he will have dark thoughts and leave Konoha, and some day will maybe become like Pein. So it may be that Kishimoto shows what could become of Naruto. If Itachi is the dark side of Sasuke than maybe Pein is the dark side of Naruto, or something like that.

[Sasuke_Bateman]

Pein has more in common with Sasuke than he does Naruto. Pain has the waste materials that made up Sasuke thus making him shit.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

Pein has more in common with Sasuke than he does Naruto. Pain has the waste materials that made up Sasuke thus making him shit.

Rinnegan hater.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Rinnegan hater.

that would make him a sharingan hater...well a sasuke hater 0_o?anywho.. didnt temari's tea glass break a while ago in the beginning of part 2? Is kishi really that repetative?

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Black-Cat-Sama

that would make him a sharingan hater...well a sasuke hater 0_o?anywho.. didnt temari's tea glass break a while ago in the beginning of part 2? Is kishi really that repetative?

He's not being repetitive. That's standard Japanese symbolism for a bad omen happening. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 5 cups break within the series' entirety.

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

I do not hate Sasuke, he's the greatest fictional character ever made next to Jesus.

Actually your statement says you do, because you likened Pein to having a lot more in common with Sasuke. So saying he has "the waste materials that made up Sasuke thus making him shit" means you're saying the same thing about that emo brat.

And just so you don't go back and change your post, here's your quote:

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

Pein has more in common with Sasuke than he does Naruto. Pain has the waste materials that made up Sasuke thus making him shit.

On point... that last lengthy spoiler is fake because it talks about Pein dropping his real name and taking on his current Moniker because of the circumstances of Yahiko's death, which shows acknowledgement. This contradicts his previously apathetic behavior regarding his former friend saying that he "remembers someone by that name". So I call it... FAKE.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

He's not being repetitive. That's standard Japanese symbolism for a bad omen happening. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 5 cups break within the series' entirety.

Yes i understand its standard but come on now. Couldn't like a galss fall over and then oil would spill or something? It is jap symbolism, but seriously....Naruto vs. Sasuke is 1st vs. Madara which wil llead to Sasuke vs. Naruto again? if that wasnt enough he has to play out the whole glass again..if thats the case, ^ ^ let tsunade know the resurection jutsu and save jiraiya and then same events...leaving konoha open to danzou where sasuke will intervene to help when his fight gets interrupted (yeah farfetched, but still..not ODd

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Bateman

I do not hate Sasuke, he's the greatest fictional character ever made next to Jesus.

YO wtf get ur blasphomy outta here ya @$$H0L3!!!

sorry for double post i will edit later

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by Black-Cat-Sama

Yes i understand its standard but come on now. Couldn't like a galss fall over and then oil would spill or something? It is jap symbolism, but seriously....Naruto vs. Sasuke is 1st vs. Madara which wil llead to Sasuke vs. Naruto again? if that wasnt enough he has to play out the whole glass again..if thats the case, ^ ^ let tsunade know the resurection jutsu and save jiraiya and then same events...leaving konoha open to danzou where sasuke will intervene to help when his fight gets interrupted (yeah farfetched, but still..not ODd

The fight between Shodaime and Madara is not as repetitive inasmuch as it is cliche. Because that's a fight we haven't seen. And yeah it is a bit cliche but at least it gives Shodaime a history, serving a purpose to the story beyond just being a village founder. Tsunade giving her life to save Jiraiya (in theory) would be repetitive and no, probably won't happen because she's the Hokage. But eh... it could be worse.

[BlackShinobi07]

Originally Posted by Black-Cat-Sama

Yes i understand its standard but come on now. Couldn't like a galss fall over and then oil would spill or something? It is jap symbolism, but seriously....Naruto vs. Sasuke is 1st vs. Madara which wil llead to Sasuke vs. Naruto again? if that wasnt enough he has to play out the whole glass again..if thats the case, ^ ^ let tsunade know the resurection jutsu and save jiraiya and then same events...leaving konoha open to danzou where sasuke will intervene to help when his fight gets interrupted (yeah farfetched, but still..not ODd

So according the those spoilers each of Pein bodys have a unique ability. Seems like Pein also took Yahikos body, the first body he appears in, as his own. Does that remind anyone else of kakshi and Obito? You know, two friends becoming one.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

The fight between Shodaime and Madara is not as repetitive inasmuch as it is cliche. Because that's a fight we haven't seen. And yeah it is a bit cliche but at least it gives Shodaime a history, serving a purpose to the story beyond just being a village founder. Tsunade giving her life to save Jiraiya (in theory) would be repetitive and no, probably won't happen because she's the Hokage. But eh... it could be worse.

ah i agree with that...cliche is really a better word, thanks man. Yeah I know it would be repetative, i was just making sarcastic linkage to the save gaara arc. ANyways, if this chapter doesnt show anything interesting other than jiraiya owning for one chapter b4 he gets hurt next chapter, im gfonna be displeased. Sure we've seen a lot of sasuke before, but we've had some naruto there... now its like...what happened to the story...>,> honestly at the moment i could care less about some all new character that plans to release his whole history out before his sensei "dies"...him saying that as well make sme think jiraiya will live... all ococky people somehow let people live

[That Other Ninja]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi07

So according the those spoilers each of Pein bodys have a unique ability. Seems like Pein also took Yahikos body as his own, the first body he appears in. Does that remind anyone else of kakshi and Obito? You know, Two friend becoming one.

Sort of, not really. All Tobi gave was an eye, and willingly at that. Its not quite the same as bodysnatching in the form of Pein and his Rinnegan or even Orochimaru's body kidnapping.

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Originally Posted by Black-Cat-Sama

YO wtf get ur blasphomy outta here ya @$$H0L3!!!

sorry for double post i will edit later

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Sort of, not really. All Tobi gave was an eye, and willingly at that. Its not quite the same as bodysnatching in the form of Pein and his Rinnegan or even Orochimaru's body kidnapping.

we dont know if he snacthed the body and if rinnegan has anything to do with it =] he could just have a dead body fetish...body snatching makes him sound like a thief...he's onyl a terrorist. WTF happened to team 8....they're getting the Tenten treatment. They were there to track and now wtffffffff....naruto finds sasuke before they do..

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by That Other Ninja

Sort of, not really. All Tobi gave was an eye, and willingly at that. Its not quite the same as bodysnatching in the form of Pein and his Rinnegan or even Orochimaru's body kidnapping.

-Well it's not like we know how Pein came to posses these different bodies to begin with. If his first body that we saw him in was Yahiko's then it might be the case in that Nagato lost his own body and Yahiko willingly gave up his own so his friend may live. Or it could be that Nagato took Yahiko's body so that he may live on with him in spirit. But those are just my guesses.