The Oh-so-many Mass-Shooting incident in the US of A...... thread

[monir]

The purpose of this thread is pretty much to document the mass shooting event that takes place in the USA. The thread will not be used to discuss any policies related to guns since that type of conversation gets a few people riled up. We are just going to discuss the events as they happen and try to put things in context. Try to answer questions such as who did it and why, what leads to it and etc....

The thread will also serve as a place to compile the so very many mass shooting that seem to take place in this country. Let's get started with the South Carolina one....

Charleston Church Shooting Suspect, Dylann Storm Roof, Is Captured

In this instance it appears the individual was motivated by hate. He was also a drug addict. In his last encounter with the police, he was surveying a mall and was trying to find out how many employees it had and what was their shift schedule.

May those nine people rest in peace.

[TinyRedLeaf]

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best, for both Americans and foreigners like me, who just can't fathom why such violence,
and the means to commit it, can be allowed to continue with regularity in America.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/R1VY0aTxRnk

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[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by monir

The purpose of this thread is pretty much to document the mass shooting event that takes place in the USA. The thread will not be used to discuss any policies related to guns since that type of conversation gets a few people riled up. We are just going to discuss the events as they happen and try to put things in context. Try to answer questions such as who did it and why, what leads to it and etc....

The thread will also serve as a place to compile the so very many mass shooting that seem to take place in this country. Let's get started with the South Carolina one....

Charleston Church Shooting Suspect, Dylann Storm Roof, Is Captured

In this instance it appears the individual was motivated by hate. He was also a drug addict. In his last encounter with the police, he was surveying a mall and was trying to find out how many employees it had and what was their shift schedule.

May those nine people rest in peace.

I'll drop this here :

Churchgoer with concealed carry permit stops man with shotgun

There has to be a roadmap for inclusion and racial harmony. Of course the ones wanting to be included will have to adapt to the American way of life, meaning which letting go of excessive religious practices, certain worldviews (white, black, yellow supremacism, etc) and statewide integration programmes (instead of just some stupid "Christian way of life" event).

Until the White House gets their heads together, concealed carries are the best stopgap.

Oh yes, and the news need to start reporting alternative incidents where would-be shooters are stopped by an armed citizen.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I think Jon Stewart summed it up best, for both Americans and foreigners like me, who just can't fathom why such violence,
and the means to commit it, can be allowed to continue with regularity in America.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/R1VY0aTxRnk

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Yea I saw this earlier and agree he summed it up really well without getting political about it even.

Really the non-action about it compared to the action America takes against terrorism is just really crazy, it makes no sense at all.

[ganbaru]

Charleston church shooter planned first to attack college: media
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P008D20150620

NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P006N20150620
Do the guy has a point, maybe?, but it pretty much another case of blaming the victim. The one responsible for the 9 death is the shooter, not the victim.

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Until the White House gets their heads together, concealed carries are the best stopgap.

It will work, and then the terrorists would move on to making bombs.

[KiraYamatoFan]

There is a massive lack of education in the US about racial tolerance and about social evolution, that's why we keep having those problems. Furthermore, we have just too many people who don't take their share of individual social responsibility when they should and can.

And that is without saying how it's too easy for people to get the right tools to commit mass murder in that country.

Originally Posted by ganbaru

NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0P006N20150620
Do the guy has a point, maybe?, but it pretty much another case of blaming the victim. The one responsible for the 9 death is the shooter, not the victim.

That executive can get stuffed AFAIK. He's a total prick for even daring to say that.

[maplehurry]

Dylann Roof 'Almost Didn't Go Through' With Charleston Church Shooting

Roof told police that he "almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him," sources told NBC News — but he decided he had to "go through with his mission."

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by maplehurry

Dylann Roof 'Almost Didn't Go Through' With Charleston Church Shooting

So it's not "wholesome good family values" that could potentially stop him?

[ganbaru]

Why the South Carolina shooting suspect should not be called a terrorist
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...d-a-terrorist/

To me, the last argument if most likely the best but, it still piss me off than those asshole of his kind get ''saved'' for the ''terrorist etiquette'' while they killed more US citizens after 9/11 on the USA than islamists.

[Nicaea]

This might sound offensive to people from the US, but their history is built upon bloodshed. It wouldn't be odd to think that the US has a somewhat violent culture. To me, the real problem is: will these events turn into civil unrest? The last thing needed is vigilantism.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Why the South Carolina shooting suspect should not be called a terrorist
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...d-a-terrorist/

To me, the last argument if most likely the best but, it still piss me off than those asshole of his kind get ''saved'' for the ''terrorist etiquette'' while they killed more US citizens after 9/11 on the USA than islamists.

If the US, after reflection, wants to "retire" the term "terrorist", it should do so. Same for the death penalty. But it should do so on principle, not to leap to the defence whose only "merit" is to not be a Muslim.

[monir]

Shooting at a movie theater.. Lafayette, LA

The details are still coming.................

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Nicaea

This might sound offensive to people from the US, but their history is built upon bloodshed.

Unlike, say, Europe or Asia with their centuries of warfare?

What differentiates America most from other advanced industrial countries is not any greater tendency to violence in the population, but the widespread availability of firearms. One ray of hope is that gun ownership has fallen in each generation that has come of age since 1945.



The apparent rise in ownership among older Millennials is troubling but may be short-lived; see the article for details.

Only a third of US households reported having a gun present in 2010. Estimates of the total number of guns in the US put the figure around 300 million, compared to 120 million or so households in the same year. If 40 million households own 300 million guns, the average gun-owning household averages some 7-8 firearms each.

[monir]

Mass Shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Unlike, say, Europe or Asia with their centuries of warfare?

What differentiates America most from other advanced industrial countries is not any greater tendency to violence in the population, but the widespread availability of firearms. One ray of hope is that gun ownership has fallen in each generation that has come of age since 1945.



The apparent rise in ownership among older Millennials is troubling but may be short-lived; see the article for details.

Only a third of US households reported having a gun present in 2010. Estimates of the total number of guns in the US put the figure around 300 million, compared to 120 million or so households in the same year. If 40 million households own 300 million guns, the average gun-owning household averages some 7-8 firearms each.

You can bet that number is a bit low. A lot of people dont even report what they do or dont own anymore.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by justinstrife

You can bet that number is a bit low. A lot of people dont even report what they do or dont own anymore.

Evidence?

How about the patterns of ownership by age and generation? Are young people more likely to misrepresent their ownership today than a decade or two ago? More likely to misrepresent than older Americans? Why?

Let's see your data, and then we can talk.

By the way, refusal rates are tiny and show no upward trend.

[Marcus H.]

Originally Posted by monir

Mass Shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

I heard from VOA News that the shooter "asks 'what's your religion' first, shoots later".

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Evidence?

How about the patterns of ownership by age and generation? Are young people more likely to misrepresent their ownership today than a decade or two ago? More likely to misrepresent than older Americans? Why?

Let's see your data, and then we can talk.

By the way, refusal rates are tiny and show no upward trend.

Do you belong to any gun forums? Visit any shooting ranges? Spend time with gun owners? Or are you relying on a study that asks people over the phone what they have? how many gun shows do you attend a year? What's your background with firearms and the people who own them? I've spent my entire life in that community. Member of multiple ranges, I go to at least two gun shows every year, belong to multiple forums, it's one of the hobbies I've had got my first firearm over two decades ago.

And my comment was about the 7-8 guns per gun owning household. Not necessarily the number of gun owning households was low. Sorry if that wasnt clear. Guns exchange hands quite often without the Government ever knowing about it.

Thank God I am a resident of a state that believes in Gun ownership. Can legally open or conceal carry without an issue.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by monir

Mass Shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.

another loser who can't get a date and decide to take it out on the world.