2008-04-12, 08:23 | Link #161 | |
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"End doesn't Justify the Means" is a statement that completely ignores the situation. If a man is about to gun down some defenseless civilians, would you try to stop him by peacefully protests? End does not justify the means. But in situations like this one, doing nothing at all is also not justified. If you try and justify allowing people to be killed by others just so you have the Ends of "not getting involved", then it is simply apathy and makes you equally guilty. That's why Zero made the point to the Japanese that they have to participate in their own liberation, not waiting for someone else to do it for them.
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2008-04-12, 11:52 | Link #162 | |
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In your example with a man about gun down innocents, it would be a worthy end to stop him, and trying to stop him by say, attacking him first, would be a proportionate means to that end. You could even argue that you had to kill him first. But when your means become disproportionate to your ends, I think you start to lose legitimacy - even if your ends are good. Zero has a reasonably noble goal in mind, and he's willing to do quite a lot to get there. But to suggest that since he has good ends, anything he does to achieve them is okay is pushing it a bit. |
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2008-04-12, 12:00 | Link #163 | |
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2008-04-12, 18:36 | Link #165 | |
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The classic "If two people are dying, and you have the strength to rescue only one, would you try to rescue both of them and ended up making them both die, or pick one person to be saved?" question. Lulu will pick one person to save. It is the action he will take, not because it is GOOD, but because the alternative is worse. He can tell when there is no right answer, and chose the "less bad " answer instead.
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2008-04-13, 16:33 | Link #166 |
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lelouch huh......
I know some people that do not like him because they like suzaku, or because they like euphimia, or because plainly hate him in a lot of reasons. One of the famous reasons to hate him is because he makes use of japanese for his personal reason. But in my opinion, war is all about personal reason. Proof? When you are being told to join war to actually protect your country. (or when you are being told to join war to free your nation). If there is no personal reason to each of the participant that join war, there will be no war. You know there is some person that says:"no I joined war not because of my personal reason", while by just saying that he/she actually already stated that he/she has had personal reasons to join war. Even kallen join lelouch for her own personal reason too, and other black knights too, I think it is pretty good to say that "I join war for my own personal reason" rather than:"I join war for country, etc that sounds too good to be true". Now about lelouch himself, he is not simple, that's why he makes a lot of uncommon mistakes. But unlike light from death note, he is good natured. And we need to remember that he has never used his geass to force people to join his black knight orders, he let them choose to join him or not, he even let them go anytime they think they are not satisfied with him, eg. during kallen's confusion time:P. Last edited by metronome; 2008-04-13 at 16:46. |
2008-04-13, 18:01 | Link #167 |
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I love him because he is portrayed as the hero and villain of the story depending on how the viewer feels about his cause. I hope he finally wins and doesn't end up like Light did at the end of death note.
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2008-04-13, 18:20 | Link #168 | |
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and Code Geass and Code Geass R2 are licensed! |
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2008-04-13, 20:09 | Link #169 | |
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But Is someone who uses people's life's as tools to create their own ideal world not to mention hes also out for revenge at least a little villainous. Either way Lelouch is one of the best anime characters out there in my opinion. |
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2008-04-13, 20:22 | Link #170 | |
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As for his enemies, well he does some pretty messed up things to them, but out of personal principle he never gives anyone a longterm order that could be part of a plan of his or give him any major benefits, such as "be my slave", even if he doesn't mind killing them. >_> There are lines Lelouch won't willingly cross, even if for the sake of enjoyment and drama the staff makes him accidentally cross most of them anyway. |
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2008-04-14, 01:18 | Link #171 | |
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2008-04-14, 01:27 | Link #172 |
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One thing I like about Lelouch is his level of intelligence. He definitely has leadership qualities and he usually approach a situation in a calm, analytical, and strategical point. I guess I'm not surprise that people follow him. Also, he's really not all that good (when I said good as in morals). He has a personality that somewhat dark, evil, and sarcastic but I think he was only doing that if he's in battle or something.
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2008-04-14, 06:26 | Link #173 | |
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2008-04-14, 13:51 | Link #174 | |
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2008-04-14, 13:56 | Link #175 | |
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As for what the power of the geass is and what's up with C.C., V.V., the Sword of Akasha, etc., you will likely see that. But Lelouch just doesn't give long term orders because that's a part of his character. >_> (though if you want to go beyond the show into why from a writing standpoint, it's because the writers don't allow themselves because then they'd get lazy with the use of the geass orders and the show would be relatively boring.) |
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2008-04-14, 14:15 | Link #176 | |
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2008-04-14, 15:07 | Link #179 | |
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-Carve-tan marked the wall for 6 odd months -Euphie -Suzaku -Mao Why it's clear he refuses to willingly give long term orders: -11, Ougi: "people aren't pieces in a game. Zero wouldn't think that way. Otherwise, he would have manipulated us like chess pieces." -18, CC: "it's easy, isn't it? you could just use your geass on Suzaku" Lelouch: "no." CC: "why? stubbornness? friendship? Or pride?" Lelouch: "all of them..." -19, said he had never, ever planned to use his geass on Suzaku, and even when said order didn't help him in the long term, and saved Suzaku's life (along with his own), he still regretted it -21, "the geass is too dangerous to use on Ougi and an unknown person" -24, Darlton's geass order ends immediately after immobilizing Cornelia. -27, did you even watch the scene with Kallen? I'm sure I could think up another 2 or 3 examples if I bothered, but I think this should make it clear enough. |
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2008-04-14, 15:08 | Link #180 | |
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The girl carving on the wall lasted for more than half a year, and we don't see it stopping yet. Yes. It can do long term. |
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