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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 123 | 72.78% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 25 | 14.79% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 9.47% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.18% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.18% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.59% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-05-17, 16:38 | Link #201 | |
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ani_d: As for the 'radioactive earring'... may I point out that the space shuttle doesn't suddenly turn radioactive despite being exposed to outer space, the sun, and things like that for days at a time, much less the few minutes Sheryl's earring would've been out there? Hell, if that was the case, those moon rocks in the Smithsonian should be behind layers of leaded glass because they were exposed to open space for billions of years... and they're not. Now, if there'd been a Van Allen belt inside the middle of that Vajra ship, then I could understand the earring being suddenly radioactive. If it'd been exposed to the radiation for some days. Things become radioactive in space only because the materials that get exposed to direct radiation for months or years at a time can occasionally become isotopes due to their composition changing as particles are randomly knocked off the nuclei... and even then, most of these things have half-lives of seconds or minutes, not years. Even then, not all materials will be suitable to become radioactive in this fashion - otherwise the interior of your microwave, which is exposed to microwave radiation, would be causing you a lot of health problems every time you opened the door of said microwave oven. Now, whether he had the opportunity to grab the earring and stuff it in a small compartment in his belt or in the EX-Gear's another story. If he's lost it, Sheryl x Alto shippers should fear for a few episodes... since it's all she had left of his mother, and it's a LOAN. Now if it survived the Macross Quarter's firing... well, THEN I'll expect it possibly to be radioactive glass. |
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2008-05-17, 16:59 | Link #202 |
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You can't compare it since a gravity well and an atmosphere make a huge difference. It's because of this difference, there's the perception of small ships being faster than big ships, when it couldn't be further from the truth. Technically speaking, if Quarter can do it, every capital ship should be able to do it.
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2008-05-17, 18:01 | Link #203 | |
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yeah, agree. I think Macross Quarter is pretty slick for a capital ship, after all, i've noticed that in every other transformable "ship" they never need harnesses. especially ones that has a grip that makes a woman blush.
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2008-05-17, 18:43 | Link #204 |
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Haesslich, can you say, detailed? lol Nice info.
See, if someone asks you to touch a fresh material that has recentlY been exposed to outerspace for a few minutes with your bare hands, can you honestly tell me you will do it? I wouldn't rule out that the earring has 0% radiation when we don't even know what types of radiation that Vajra ship has exposed itself into. Astronomy isn't my major but I do know the universe doesn't have a "radiation free area." It's filled with all sorts of radiation coming from everywhere. Just the fact that Alto and company can see what's in front of them already tell us light rays from somewhere can reach them. Things like that. Even if the radiation wasn't the case, I still don't think Alto would be able to save it for other reasons I already stated. When it comes to life and death, people usually blank out and concentrate on survival rather than saving other people's property. |
2008-05-17, 19:03 | Link #207 | ||
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That's why you'd want to cross large stretches of space with a capital ship; the ship can carry more mass for equipment, has more room to move around in, and has bigger drives to move it faster over longer distances without having to worry about the reaction mass it carries running out as fast as a fighter probably does, which gives it better range. Quote:
Radiation doesn't LINGER - radioactivity 'lingers' because radioactive materials will continue to radiate alpha, beta, gamma, and other radiation until they revert to a non-isotope state... but just because the Vajra ship went through an area of radioactivity doesn't mean that it'll remain radioactive if it was in there for a short time, much less the inside having to be radioactive because the outside was exposed to it... else NASA would have a lot of radioactive astronauts buried in concrete silos somewhere, kept isolated from their families due to their fathers, daughters, sons, or mothers being up in orbit. And as I said, 'whether he had the opportunity to grab the earring and stuff it in a small compartment in his belt or in the EX-Gear's another story'. But if he didn't, he'll be in trouble with Sheryl as well as Ozma. |
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2008-05-17, 23:30 | Link #208 |
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Like he'd really be in trouble for losing the earring. Alto was a hero.
So it's safe to expose an object to outerspace (as long as it's not for months or years) and bring it back raw to the surface for a quick show and tell. Haesslich, I'm taking your word for it. |
2008-05-17, 23:52 | Link #209 | ||
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This is even more important since SMS is a mercenary/private outfit, which presumably doesn't get [strikeout]kickbacks[/strikeout]-- um.. special government discounts on its hardware, even if it's testing it out for the manufacturer. I'm sure that the manufacturers would have a few questions to ask of SMS if it's being told 'um.. we lost another fighter. Could you send us another half-dozen?' every few months. Especially with the way Alto's going through equipment... Quote:
Notice that we don't do that. Most of the time, you have to expose an object to radiation for a long time (longer than a few minutes - we're talking at least weeks or months, if not years) to do it if it's at relatively low intensities (example: water in the inner loop of a nuclear plant), or else at a very high level for a short period of time (example: dirt at ground zero of a nuclear explosion becomes fallout). It has to be exposed to high-energy radiation for quite a period to become radioactive itself, at least in a way which is dangerous. I'd be more concerned with biological contamination of Alto and the VF-25 which went into the Vajra ship.. which in turn means that Alto either gets anal-probed and isolated to confirm he's not carrying a Vajra plague, or else that they dunk him and the VF in a tank of something designed to kill foreign biologicals... or else they're not worrying about it too much, having some idea of whether Vajra are dangerous to human health beyond the macro level (aka: blowing your head off, squishing you to death, frying you with a plasma blast). The reason Chernobyl was such a big disaster was because the meltdown meant the fission reaction was burning everything at once in the fuel rods, and in doing so was creating a lot of radioactive byproducts by irradiating the surroundings at very high intensities of radiation.. and burning the surroundings as well, which created radioactive matter that could be easily carried by wind. EDIT: One last note. Alto AND Ranka have been been outer space, the former twice now, without a Valkyrie - Episode 2 had Ranka sucked out of Island One's dome, and hanging above it for several moments before Alto reeled her in, then sent the Valkyrie back into the dome as it sealed up. According to ani_d's theory, every Valkyrie should be severely radioactive or at least radioactive enough to be a threat to human health... as would Ranka and Alto. Don't forget that, when Alto ejected, he was inside a Vajra ship which basically placed a shell (the ship's hull) between him and 'outer space'. Last edited by Haesslich; 2008-05-18 at 00:54. |
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2008-05-18, 01:20 | Link #211 | |
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Did I ever say, "every Valkyrie should be severely radioactive or at least radioactive enough to be a threat to human health"? I said a raw material like a civillian earring which wasn't even tested for a potential radioactivity and wasn't customly made to withstand outerspace radiation (like what they do in surfaces of space shuttles etc) can become radioactive. Alto's EX GEAR has high chances of being radioactive but since he's not wearing a NASA spacesuit and he lives in 2059, that suit probably can protect his body enough to withstand radiation. I'd say a space suit from 2059 can pull that off. Should he miraculously saved the earring and placed it in his nonexistent pocket, maybe they'll have a way to decontaminate it or maybe they won't. The possibilities are there. All this radiation stuff is making my head spin lol x___x I'm not an astronaut. The point still stands that there's a very low chance that Alto could have saved the earring aside from the fact that it's radioactive. Also, is Luca's life that worthless that saving him in exchange for a VF-25 is a bad thing to do? That is just wrong. I'm completely on Alto's side. |
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2008-05-18, 01:32 | Link #212 | |
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The outside of most spacecraft is composed of either either metal, ceramic, or a combination of both along with plastics. The Space Shuttle uses carbon-fiber panels as well as ceramics, neither of which are 'made to withstand outer space radiation' - they're made to withstand heat, and that's it. Shielding on spacecraft is restricted primarily to the crew compartment or any area with sensitive electronics. Basically, anything that would've made that earring instantly radioactive would've made Alto's suit radioactive enough to be either a threat to HIM or else to anyone around him... which means that he can't go inside the Macross Quarter, or any Valkyrie, and taking off his suit would expose him to dangerous radioactivity once he's outside the suit. Luca's life is worth something... but Alto's trashing a Valkyrie on every mission. If he keeps this up, he won't be a pilot for SMS very long - since that means he'd cost SMS a few million every time he pranged up a plane, which he would do every time he went out. Once when he's a civilian is understandable - twice, when he's a new guy's understandable too. But the third time, hard questions will be asked of him... since SMS can't afford to keep buying new Valkyries every time Alto goes out on a mission, or the manufacturer will decide to give the contract to someone else to test out these things, since SMS can't be trusted to NOT trash their planes. As for the blood samples, I think they were testing Alto and Ranka since they were the only two who'd directly encountered a Vajra outside of a VF and survived the incident. Afterwards, we don't see the NUNS being too worried about biological contamination, at least to judge by how neither Alto or Ranka were locked up in an isolation chamber after the fact. The question is not 'was the earring too radioactive to recover', but more 'did Alto have the sense to stash it in his EX-Gear before things got bad enough that he had to eject'. |
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2008-05-18, 02:00 | Link #214 | |
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So in a way I can understand Luca's intentions. But he was careless let his guard down that resulted in being captured which in part was his fault, though not being stupid. Alto on the other hand, is recklessly stupid. Fortunately he seems to have a super hero's hot-blooded trait that lets him miraculously dodge the heavy flak barrages of the enemy ship when in Gar mode. Ozma's immediate improvision in ordering the Skull squadron to provide Alto support resulted in his increased survival chances as well. |
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2008-05-18, 02:29 | Link #215 | |
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oh forgot, forgot to mention that trashing his valk isn't really negative considering he did recover Luca's Valk. In this scenario losing a valk, military ex-gear, recon equipment, and a trained pilot versus a single valk. Pretty sure its a null argument when you think about it logically. Last edited by Zekori; 2008-05-18 at 02:42. |
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2008-05-18, 02:43 | Link #217 | |
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That and Alto was owned pretty much in a close encounter, so much for him being the average teenage genius gundam pilot. Then agian, that's sorta better in my book. |
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2008-05-18, 02:45 | Link #218 | |
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Seriously, the boy has to stop trashing his equipment. The way he's going, he's probably going to get fired... |
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2008-05-18, 02:49 | Link #219 | |
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2008-05-18, 02:54 | Link #220 | |
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