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Also, inter-dimensional traveling could also be restricted to power levels. If only a A class or higher level mage have the ability to fly i would think the power level requirement for personal inter-dimensional traveling would be higher. And for the TSBA, the ships also provids additional firepower backup the troops.
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From a surface view, the scene is not that bad. It's only when you dig deeper that it looks silly, as with most scenes. Quote:
During that scene he was still known as the 'miracle loli groper' after all. Oh, how the mighty have fallen... |
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2008-05-13, 21:12 | Link #1244 | |
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Revolver Cannon is a blast of kinetic energy that sends the target flying; that's all I need to know, and that's all I care to know. I'm not interested in the forces involved with generating that kind of energy, I don't care about the laws of inertia or what-have-you(something else barrier jackets protect against), and I certainly don't care that science says such and such is supposed to be impossible. If you want to gimp your characters by forcing magic to bend to the laws of science, be my guest. But count me out of it.
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2008-05-14, 06:16 | Link #1245 |
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Ark doesn't write. He's into Nanoha for SoD, which has never really made much sense to me, really. It's like trying to SoD Hindi and Tamil movies with the dance sequences - how the hell do you explain those anyway? And those dance sequences and movies are explicitly said to be taking place in the "real world".
Anyway, ark doesn't write, so he can SoD to his (un?)willing heart's (dis?)content. (/me is referring to a PM where ark said he was tired of SoD, to which me headdesked and suggested SG-1 as a more appropriate show to SoD).
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2008-06-03, 09:37 | Link #1246 |
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Weee, we're doing it again, trailing of from a simple statement in the OC-thread and ending up with a tech-debate seems to be routine for us.
I think that was just Kha's personal theory. The DVD is no different then the TV in this regard. |
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What makes you think that the short range is some kind of deliberate choice, rather than a sign of the limitations and tradeoffs of the technology. Do you think the Americans loved their Mk45 ASTORs with their reputation for their 2.0 kill probability? Since this is about their last ditch anti-LL weapon, and they figure the worst of those could take out entire "worlds", one would think it is reasonable they will go for maximal firepower even at the cost of risking one of their ships (albeit only slightly since Arc is delay-fused so they can transfer away). It actually increases the weapon's credibility as a last resort. Quote:
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In that case, given a reasonable assumption of size for Asura and its obviously huge subtended width on screen, the inevitable conclusion using this frame as primary reference is that the ship is very close. For example, if we assume target width as 200m, the subtended width as 10px (no way in heck that was only ten pixels), and a FOV of 45 degrees (a "normal" perspective"), the range comes out to ~16km. Ergo, the blast radius must be lower than 16km. Nice, Tk, you've just killed the range and the firepower of the Arc. Quote:
2) There are other weapons, as Kha points out, though their firepower is hard to determine. |
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2008-06-03, 09:44 | Link #1248 |
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Tk? Instead of attacking the images, rambling, denying canon, and eventually give up and start pointing fingers, shouldn't you be attacking an entirely different front? After all, we only asume that the limited radius is 100 kilometers, but Yuuno doesn't say 'hyaku kilo' he says 'hyakusuujuu kilo' Possible spelling errors, I go by hearing alone and if I recal 'suujuu' means something along the lines of 'several.' Could it not be possible that Triad was simply right in their translations, and that the Arc's fire radius goes beyond 100 kilometers? If our resident moonspeakers could shed some light on this, it would be much apreciated. Edit: According to my sources, 'suujuu' means something along the lines of 'dozens' or 'scores of' making the radius of the Arc 'dozens of hundreds' of kilometers. |
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発動地点を中心に百数十キロ範囲の空間を歪曲させながら反応消滅を起こさせる魔道砲。
Yes it does, but not by much. It is a hundred (hyaku) and "a number of" tens. It is less than two hundred, or they'll have said two hundred and a number of tens kilometers or just "over two hundred kilometers". Besides, since Tk's objection is philosophical, that the idea of a cannon with Blast Radius > Shooting Range (the part about inferiority to Earth is just incidental), so just squeezing a bit more blast radius out won't help. |
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The other example we have hardly help though from what I recall the ships that fire in StrikerS are pretty much just as close as with the Arc example. (we can acutally see the entire fleet and the target in one frame and said target isn't some tiny ass dot as I recall) Basically if we go just by canon we're stuck with a absurdly short maximum engagement range on the TSAB ships mainguns. I don't think the writers spent even 30 seconds thinking through there space fleet and the shit we're stuck with is ridiculous. Really my first post made my position clear I find pretty much everything about the Arc's use as shown absurd. Really only StrikerS makes it SLIGHTLY salvageable by showing that they have at least some other sorts of weapons without that we'd be stuck with the Arc as out only benchmark for TSAB ship weapons and oh what a shitty benchmark it is.
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2008-06-03, 11:48 | Link #1252 |
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The canon also shows that there is sound in space.
While I realize the irony that I'm the one tempted to say "don't examine this too closely", I think my sentiment is more of "feel free to examine this too closely, but don't swear at other people and say that they're ABSOLUTELY WRONG". |
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Hm... it seems to be actually be 'several hundred kilometers' according to this line...
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2008-06-03, 23:06 | Link #1256 |
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Man, I remember reading some book that quoted a Soviet sub captain who tried to run the Cuban blockade as saying he was going to take a shot at an American destroyer he thought was shooting at him with a nuclear torpedo and the only reason he decided not to was because the minimum safe range was based on theoretical calculations only and he didn't trust it not to take him out too.
Remember: you may owe your life to weapons with unsafe blast sizes.
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2008-06-04, 04:24 | Link #1258 |
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Yes, but not in numbers. Chinese and Japanese Numbers are the same as English, with Elements consisting of Digit * Place, and the elements arrayed form largest to smallest. Where there is no digit, assume it is 1. Where there is no place, assume the element is 0.
For extra fun, consider the alternatives. If we say the Hundreds are to be multiplied by the Few Tens, the equation becomes: 100*Few*10 = 1000*Few. It is a pleasant thought for those who want big Arc blast areas, but... Or how about 100*(Few+10) = 100*10 + 100*Few. That will make it over 1000km. Or how about it was supposed to be 100*Few + 10 = Few*100 + 10. That will make it several hundred kilometers, but what's the point of the ten at this point when you aren't sure which hundred you are on. You see, it is not only the grammatically correct reading, but also the sensible reading. |
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Well, my main point is that suujuu is not a number, it is a word. If it was a number, I wouldn't argue, but like I said, concidering it isn't a number, doesn't that change things? The meaning of suujuu varies along the lines of 'dozens' or 'scores of' (decades too, but I think its safe to say that doesn't apply here) not just tens. Is it not posible to read it as, say, 'scores of hundreds?'
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