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View Poll Results: Favorite Pairing in Gundam 00 | |||
Setsuna F Seiei x Marina Ismail | 237 | 38.66% | |
Setsuna F Seiei x Nena Trinity | 77 | 12.56% | |
Setsuna F Seiei x Gundam | 223 | 36.38% | |
Allelujah Haptism x Soma Pieries | 118 | 19.25% | |
Allelujah Haptism x Marie Parfacy | 207 | 33.77% | |
Allelujah Haptism x Sumeragi Lee Noriega | 61 | 9.95% | |
Billy Katagiri x Sumeragi Lee Noriega | 58 | 9.46% | |
Saji Crossroad x Louise Halevy | 189 | 30.83% | |
Andrei Smirnov x Louise Halevy | 34 | 5.55% | |
Patrick Colasour x Kati Mannequin | 135 | 22.02% | |
Klaus Grado x Shirin Bakhtiar | 56 | 9.14% | |
Shirin Bakhtiar x Marina Ismail | 49 | 7.99% | |
Lockon Stratos x Feldt Grace | 134 | 21.86% | |
Lockon Stratos x Tieria Erde | 108 | 17.62% | |
Lockon Stratos x Haro | 70 | 11.42% | |
Hong Long x Wang Liu Mei | 39 | 6.36% | |
Tieria Erde x Regene Regetta | 57 | 9.30% | |
Graham Aker x Gundam | 136 | 22.19% | |
Ribbons x Aeolia Schenberg | 41 | 6.69% | |
Others (please list) | 83 | 13.54% | |
Lyle Dylandy x Anew Returner | 78 | 12.72% | |
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2010-09-30, 20:56 | Link #2586 | |
Damn, I'm good!
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Neil is watching over people from up above so he's too busy to find a girl (though he's got plenty around him in Yun Kouga's manga ). Lyle lost Anew. Setsuna...if he ever stays with Marina...she'll die soon anyway...so yeah... Good job Allelujah! LOL |
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2010-09-30, 22:01 | Link #2587 |
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I think someone here mentioned to look at the manga prelude of the movie to understand the ending and after reading this, it makes a lot more sense:
Yael: Princess Marina Have you also gone off to be a bride? Other kid: Yeal, that’s just the story in the TV! Yael: But still… Marina: Oh, she’s really a beautiful bride! But me… I’m not going anywhere. Marina Ismail belongs to Azadistan. This is my country of birth, the country I live in and someday I shall lay to rest here. Caption: A prelude to the movie: Where Setsuna and Marina are – Two people separated by sky and earth, connected only in spirit Feldt: I’m glad this island remains as it is Setsuna: Yeah, but we can’t resupply here. Feldt: Have you taken a short rest? I think it’s tiring to be in continuous stand-by. Setsuna: Thanks Feldt, I’m fine. When the repairs are done, let’s go immediately. If we don’t move, the possibility of being sighted becomes greater Feldt: Yeah… Setsuna: This is a very nice place. But we can’t stay at one place for a long time In this world… There’s no such thing as a place to stay in There’s no choice but to go There’s no choice but to move on That sky is where I live in [blurry text] Setsuna: Are you also gazing at this sky? ==== Marina: Setsuna! You’re…alive! I’m glad! Setsuna: And congratulations to you for the reconstruction of Azadistan. Marina: [Blurry text here]Actually I’m still fumbling around Um, please go inside Setsuna: I’m fine here I only went here for a last greeting I won’t come here any more I have become an enemy of the world I can no longer come to meet you We have the same wishes We only wish for a peaceful world. Caption: But that is much like the opposite sides of a coin The two paths do not meet Setsuna: I’m leaving now I will go on Marina: I will always be here Always I will protect this country from here Promise me one thing That you will be happy wherever you go Please return to this country someday because I will always be here Setsuna: Marina Ismail Only you… are the princess of my country. [grrr hard to translate] Caption: You who are like a flower that bloomed on the parched ground. Caption: You who are like the perfectly clear, high and far sky, that you can’t reach no matter how much you extend your hands. Setsuna: I can not turn back I won’t turn back I believed that my previous actions were signs of strength I… you have… It’s a mystery. Standing up many times again and again You still have that strength Teach me how to have it. Even on the land that is much exhausted the flower certainly blooms Marina: Setsuna Wherever you are, I will always be wishing for your happiness Setsuna: Good bye Marina Ismail Feldt: Setsuna, the preparations here are finished. Let’s go now! Setsuna: Okay I will protect the world I will become a man who goes out even in protecting just one flower |
2010-09-30, 22:14 | Link #2588 |
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This one is more accurate:
Page 1 Kid (Yaeru): Princess Marina! Are you going to go and become a bride too? Marina: Eh? Kid 2: Yaeru, that's a story on TV! Kid (Yaeru): But...! Marina: My, what a lovely bride. As for me... I'm not going anywhere. Page 2 Marina: "Marina Ismail" belongs to Azadistan. She was born in this country and will live here. (Thoughts) And one day, she will die here. The title page is just a summary of what the comic is. Page 4 Feldt: I'm glad that this island was left like it was. Setsuna: Mm. But we can't count on it being resupplied.* Page 5 Feldt: Setsuna, have you relaxed a little? Maybe being on standby all the time has made you tired. Page 6 Setsuna: Thank you, Feldt. I'm fine. Let's depart soon after repairs are finished. If we don't move, the chance of us being detected becomes greater. Feldt: That's right... This place is lovely, but it wouldn't do to stay in the same place all the time. Setsuna: (thoughts) A place that you remain in. Page 7 Setsuna: (thoughts) In this world, that place doesn't exist anywhere. Only moving, only advancing. The sky above us is where I exist. [ "sky" here is written with kanji that mean "outer space". ] I wonder if you are looking at this same sky? Page 8 Marina: Setsuna! Page 9 Marina: You... you lived... I'm glad! Setsuna: And you. Congratulations on the restoration of Azadistan. Marina: Well, to tell you the truth, up until now I've been fumbling, but... please, come in. Setsuna: I'm fine here. Page 10 Setsuna: I just came to see you one last time. I can't come here any more. I am the enemy of the world. It wouldn't do for me to come and meet with you. Marina: Our wish is the same. All we wish for is a peaceful world. Page 11 (Narration: But that is like the front and back of a coin: the two do not meet Setsuna: I'm going. I came only for before (??) Marina: I... will always be here! Always. I will protect this country here! Page 12 Marina: Promise me just one thing! Wherever you go, be happy! I'll always be here, so if one day you return to this country...! Setsuna: Marina Ismail. You are the only princess of Azadistan... of my country. Page 13/14 (Setsuna's thoughts?) In the cracked, sandy ground, you bloomed like a flower. No matter how far you stretched your hand, you didn't reach it. Far away and high up, the sky cleared. You were like that sky. I will not return any more. I will not return. I believed that advancing from where you came from was strength. To that me, you... No matter how many times it took, you stood up and rebuilt. You taught that kind of strength to me. Setsuna: Strange, isn't it? No matter how much the land withers... Flowers always bloom. Page 15 Marina: Setsuna, no matter where you are or how far in the future, I'll be wishing for your happiness! Setsuna: Goodbye, Marina Ismail. Page 16 Feldt: Setsuna, the preparations here are complete! Let's go! Setsuna: Understood. Page 17 Setsuna (thoughts): I am going to protect this world. I will become a man who can protect at least one flower's bloom. |
2010-10-01, 03:52 | Link #2592 | |
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Still, it's beautiful, thanks.
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2010-10-01, 06:36 | Link #2595 | |
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Just to get this clear I'm very neutral to any Setsuna pairing BUT I hate Marina and Love Feldt. So i'm biased for Setsuna x Feldt but I also don't mind Marina being paired it is an interesting pairing. But to me Marina's only important role was more to signify peace through understanding rather than violence which Setsuna embodied his influence from Marina lead to his full development as a innovator whose natural ability is to understand those around him with his quantum brain waves. But other than that I would have rather Marina died at the end.
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2010-10-01, 08:23 | Link #2596 |
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Pardon my grammar; this is not my native language. Anyways, I am sure lots of people here said it but the FeldtXSetsuna thing came out of nowhere, it seems so small compare to what Marina and Setsuna have. Whether there is romance or not, I definitely think that there is a deep love between Setsuna and Marina. Setsuna is introverted; he barely speaks to anyone on the Ptolemaios. He is not the kind of person that will talk about his feelings and his ideals to anyone. Yet he keeps visiting Marina to talk to her, he goes all the way to Marina’s palace to talk to her risking getting caught and everything. If he has a strong bond with Feldt, why not go to her? Is much more convenient, he could just walk to her room and knock on her door. Why go all the way to Marina? That’s because he entrusts his feeling to her and seeks guidance from her because they both understand each other and where they are coming from. Feldt just doesn’t have that bond with him, they have a mutual respect for each other and Feldt has a one sided crush on him, but the relationship they have is not even close to his relationship with Marina.
Another thing too is that it would be too out of character for Setsuna and Marina to have a normal life with somebody. They are not the kind of person that would marry someone and have a family. Marina is devoted to her country and her cause and Setsuna is devoted to fighting for his cause. Marina wants to achieve peace through her political role and Setsuna wants to achieve peace by fighting with his gundam. They are both very selfless. Even if they did love each other in a romantic way they would never said it because they know is never going to happen, all it would do is cause unnecessary pain because is impossible. What would people said if the princess of Azadistan ends up marrying someone that is labeled a terrorist? If she did, she would probably have to step down from her role which would mean she won’t have any power to influence Azadistan, even though part of her wants to be with Setsuna and be at peace. Again for Setsuna is the same too. A small part of him wants to live in peace with Marina but he ultimately chooses to fight, I think that’s what the scene in the second season’s first opening represents. The part where he reaches out for Marina and the flower (peace) when he sees her represents the part of him that wants to be with her in peace but he chooses to fight by pulling out his sword to protect them. I haven’t seen the movie yet but I think the ending is fitting, it means that Setsuna is finally free from his duty, where he can finally seek out a life of peace with Marina. Same thing with Marina, she has finished her duty and has retired. After all these years she is finally able to live in peace. I think what Marina and Setsuna has is far beyond sexual attraction (especially considering Marina is quite old). For them to be able to finally be together means that Setsuna finally understands Marina’s message and that they can both be at peace. |
2010-10-01, 08:46 | Link #2597 |
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Great analysis! I loved reading your interpretation of the movie ending. Even though I believe that Setsuna and Marina's relationship is almost completely platonic (they've both denied it-- and Setsuna denied twice!), the fact that they are THAT important to each other is a very romantic notion.
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2010-10-01, 13:40 | Link #2599 |
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Here's how i see the Marina and Feldt relationship with Setsuna:
In terms of romantic relationship Feldt had more potential. However because romance wasn't expanded on it was overlooked. Feldt's feelings are onesided though. Setsuna either just doesn't realize or he chooses to overlook it due to his past. He may feel he just isn't worthy of that. As for Marina there is a love there but not in a romantic sense. It is more the love of a family which is really what is needed more than a romantic one. This is really much stronger than any romantic relationship for this type of show but likely had the least potential to evolve into a romantic relationship had there not been a 50 year timeskip. Heck both Setsuna and Marina both denied any chance with such straight faces which means they were pretty serious. |
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