2010-12-12, 07:50 | Link #2281 |
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I fail to see see how Shichika ending up with Hitei would equal to betraying/changing/forgetting his feelings for Togame. Tons of people lost the "love of their life" tragically, yet still managed to fall in love once more with another person later down the road. That doesn't mean their feelings changed, they simply moved on instead of grieving for the rest of their lives. Which is exactly what Togame wanted for Shichika, by the way. She wished for him to move on and live his own life, he doesn't necessarily have to forget her in order to do that.
I don't believe for a second Hitei and Shichika will keep traveling together without anything ever happening between the two of them. Honestly, I have no problem with Shichika x Hitei. He deserves happiness, and if she can bring it to him, it's all good. Sure, the prospect of Shichika spending the rest of his life alone, loving no one other than Togame, is more romantic, but it's also incredibly sad in my opinion.
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2010-12-12, 08:00 | Link #2282 |
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Gotta agree with Kanon.
Although the idea of Shichika staying devoted to Togame is both romantic and part of his character, its also extremely tradgic and against Togame's final wishes. those same wishes Shichika basically ignored. I'm saying that if it does happen,it would take a lot of time. I saw the endng as platonic, but with the potential to develop. On a side note, ths episode was epic in so many ways I was stunned.
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2010-12-12, 08:45 | Link #2285 |
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Overall I don't get why there is any implications of hiteihime and shichika romance. It seems rather an awkward romance if there were to be any, considering shichika killed hiteihime's admirer/lover, and hiteihime's "hatred" or her need to meddle resulted in the death of Togame. In the end they are both actors in the deaths of people they strongly feel connected to, and that "love" seems a little hard to just sprout from that, although the only inclination that this might be real is the fact that Shichika took Togame's words to heart. If we really think about there really isn't a lot of interaction between hitei hime and Shichika, they are nothing more than acquaintances , which again adds another degree of separation.
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2010-12-12, 10:02 | Link #2286 | |
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Thankfully i wasn't spoiled regarding Togame's death, though i was around when the tragedy tag appeared in this thread, and personally that just made me enjoy the series all the more. Wanting to see just what the hell could happen in the story that would result in such a tag.
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2010-12-12, 11:13 | Link #2287 | |
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^ I wish I had your perspective on things.
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Now that I think about it, it could've still been true anyway.
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2010-12-12, 12:56 | Link #2288 |
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During journey, she started to believe she could change anew to have a happy life and forget her stupid goal. But during her last moments, she schemed Shichika to avenge her during first half. When it appears she would fail and admit her lost, she felt relieved that at least Shichika can live on.
However, hearing how Shichika asked things she needs to do, deep down she realized that she's still not letting go of her goal to avenge her father, killing shogunate and Kyotouryuu. That she still couldn't change. She doesn't deserve to beloved by this man. And most of all, she would regret parting him without letting him know all this though it can make him hate her. Despite that she clearly said that out. So, I don't she lied to Shichika that she planned to kill him. But I love how Shichika's confession saved her from her stupidity and free her burdens. Her last words is unexpectedly long but quite realistic enough judging how it didn't hit her vital spots. Cutting Togame's tearful scenes may be better choice to put her down on stage as strong woman with no regrets. I understand this is pretty hard and complex ways of narration. Hitei is even easier to read as her words and actions are quite predictable to guess what her heart thinks. But you wouldn't get boring reading or watching Nishin's works again and again. Years later may give you new perspectives and make it even more interesting. Last edited by Windows X; 2010-12-12 at 13:51. |
2010-12-12, 14:24 | Link #2289 |
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Anybody else notice that Shichika used moves to defeat some of the 12 that he used originally? I though it was pretty cool after I went back and watched some of the fights again.
Zettō Kanna: Move he originally tried to break it with but failed. Sentō Tsurugi: Same move he used to kill Meisai Tsuruga. Zokutō Yoroi: Same shockwave technique. Akutō Bita: The same 272 killing move that Nanami used on Shichika in episode 7 |
2010-12-12, 14:28 | Link #2290 | |||
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I myself really don't believe for a moment that Shichika and Hiteihime will eventually develop any kind of romantic relationship, but if you wish to speculate on the idea of it then of course you're entitled to that. Fact remains though that there wasn't a single thing, even towards the very tail end of the story, that would suggest that his devotion towards Togame had changed, nor was there anything to suggest the possibility of him and Hiteihime eventually becoming an item. It would just seem way too awkward, and I don't think most people would be able to stomach the idea of it. Quote:
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2010-12-12, 14:39 | Link #2291 | ||
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The last scene showed the two of them were growing closer. Hitei started following Shichika of her own volition and he apparently kept pushing her away. However, he acknowledged her this time, and while he didn't formally invite her to accompany him in his travels, he allowed her to. I think their smiling faces at the end say it all: they like being around each other. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll end up together, but the possibility definitely exist.
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2010-12-12, 15:12 | Link #2292 |
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I was quite impressed by this final episode... I've noticed that endings tend to be a lot better when the makers of the anime know the series is ending after episode X from the beginning! I've seen too many endings get all fudged up by leaving room for an uncertain sequel or the makers finding out after episode 9 that there won't be an episode 13!
Now, on more specific matters... Togame's death scene DID stretch out a bit, but perhaps this is for the best. Most combat deaths occur suddenly, allowing no chance for the dying character to express all his/her thoughts. The situation was directly engineered (in-story and out) to allow her that chance. As for the combat scenes... epic! None of those guys really knew what to do with their weapons, and the protagonist (1) was no longer interested in preserving the weapons and (2) was generally a much stronger weapon than he was a year ago. Hmm... the aftermath. Well, the princess DID indulge in a lot of deliberate falsehoods in earlier episodes, and I noted that she was nearly always smiling and/or laughing when she declared her hatred of Togame. At the very least she was enjoying the rivalry. I think she followed the protagonist at the end to fend off boredom than anything else. |
2010-12-12, 15:39 | Link #2293 | |
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And for Zokutou, He just had to lift him off the ground lol. For Bita, I kinda felt that the sword (since it is charged full electrical power) revived the person that many times, kinda like using CPR lol, if you get what I mean. But so much electricity in the person just fried the user to death. (as it "drained" away the users life over time) I kinda felt like: "Huh, I see now" as Shichika was destroying the swords, and how simple the swords actually are. If Shichika never had to protect the swords or himself, the previous sword owner battles would've had the same outcome of dying in 30 seconds.
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2010-12-12, 15:59 | Link #2294 | |
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2010-12-12, 16:09 | Link #2295 |
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LOL we get the Death of the Heroine, we get epic fights of the Hero, some mysteries about Emonzaemon fight as first he wanted to use his "ninpo"? but instead he uses Entou Jyo?!, the hero actually wanted to die but all i get from this forum is a shipping war about Togame & Shichika or Shichika will be together with Hitei hime...
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2010-12-12, 16:30 | Link #2296 |
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Erm, well I suppose so, I mean they haven't had the swords for so long, that they hadn't have much time to hone their skills with it.
@hai san, Well, Not everyone is all into the shipping war lol. I mean I am more interested in the gauntlet and Emonzaemon. And well Emonzaemon like used his Ninpou, with Entou Jyuu. Speaking of Emonzaemon....RIP EMONZAAAAAAEEEEMMOOOOONNNNN!!!!!
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2010-12-12, 19:11 | Link #2300 |
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So yea, I laughed. I feel like the entire show was actually one big troll attempt by the author, and I loved it (then again, I loved the Endless Eight sequence in Haruhi too, so maybe I'm just weird).
In the end, it was all pointless, and to just make it even more funny, the blonde girl gets the guy, throwing die-hard nerds committed to the underlying romance that was there throughout the previous 10 episodes into a hissy fit I'm sure. ;p Whoever the author was, I applaud you. Katanagatari shall remain a classic in my library for all time. |
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