2010-12-12, 19:46 | Link #2301 |
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That was depressing. I was hoping for a whole month that Togame would somehow pull through, though I suppose I always had a lingering feeling that it was not to be. The montage of clips of her really made me teary-eyed, she was one of my favorite characters in years, and I'm terribly sad to see her go.
That isn't to say I think it was a bad ending at all, it's just a hard hurdle to get over emotionally. She'll live on in Shichika's, and my (our), memories, at least. Chiming in on the Hitei x Shichika ordeal, I think it could go either way, but I really *hope* that Shichika doesn't end up with her. That would just be too cruel of a fate, in my opinion. I like to think that since Togame told Shichika to forget about her and live for himself, and seeing as how Shichika broke her other orders in this episode because she's no longer alive, that he would end up not following this one either, and hence keep living for her. Might just be wishful thinking on my part, though.
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2010-12-12, 23:08 | Link #2305 | |
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Also, I just want to add that it's possible that the bosses in the last episode weren't able to just the full potential of the swords because they weren't compatible. Swords choose their wielders and I believe the swords were forced on them this time so the swords became weak. |
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2010-12-12, 23:39 | Link #2306 | |
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2010-12-13, 02:26 | Link #2309 |
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Same here
Anyway, is it me or did they drag some scenes in the final episode (e.g. Togame's death speech). Overall, it was a job well done, I wish they will continue with more adaptions from the author. EDIT: After reading that the ending was depressing, unfair, etc. Guys remember:
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2010-12-13, 02:36 | Link #2310 |
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Same here as well. :/
That's a pretty interesting way to look at it, I'll give you that. Even if that isn't it's actual purpose, if definitely works. As for Togame's eye, it's purely aesthetic -- Take just wanted to give her some sort of interesting visual quirk.
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2010-12-13, 11:16 | Link #2313 |
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ahh the show proved me wrong again: Togame died, ended with the most unexpected pairing, Shichika survived despite all those injuries, "Cheerio" did not become popular in japan etc
it also seems to make fun of the viewers by destroying the 11 kanatas in less than 1 minute each... overall, the story-telling is unique, the art style is one-kind but will get used to it quickly and the series is really enjoyable my fav char: Nanami |
2010-12-13, 11:57 | Link #2314 |
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I think that, while overall good, the adaptation could have used some little touch of direction here and there. For example playing a triumphant music while Shichika was winning in ep. 11. Somehow I even feel I was left short of some explanation here and there, though I don't have read the novels.
Overall though I am satisfied, with the anime, the story, the final episode and the conclusion. Honestly, I don't really know if Hitei and Shichika will become a real couple. Probably, if they stay together, eventually it is bound to happen, but Shichika also appears to have some kind of ascetic character, so romance is not exactly his priority in life. The point is that indeed Hitei and Togame were just teasing each other and somehow they were actually very close. Hitei is just a contrarian, one who does the opposite of what she is expected to do. At the same time, Emonzaemon was the only person Shichika thought was able to kill him. Therefore Shichika and Hitei both highly respect their reciprocal most important person. It is a bit complicated, but that makes it ok in my book. It was also said in the first episode that Togame would have betrayed Shichika. Though somehow it came unexpected after all this time, it's not unjustified. It's like Togame had a real personality (princess Yousha) and a mask personality (Togame), and while the real personality was the one in charge and only wanted revenge for his father, it was the mask personality that fell in love with Shichika. Kind of like a conflict between the mind and the heart. The problem doesn't appear to be whether Togame loves or don't love Shichika. She loves him. It's just that she won't necessarily follow her heart. Overall this is indeed a tragedy, but in the Oriental style. No absolute good or absolute evil, just people doing their own thing, living and dying. The impermanence of everything while the time flows. Bravo, Nisio. Btw, I think nobody said this. Emonzaemon has 不忍 written on the mask. Though as someone correctly said per se it means "unconcealed", 忍 is the kanji of ninja/shinobi, so in a sense Emonzaemon is "not ninja", slightly mirroring Shichika with his "school of the no sword" (虚刀流). |
2010-12-13, 12:13 | Link #2316 |
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I've pretty much watched all 12 episodes for mostly the music and the fight scenes. So while some delivered more than others in these particular areas, the final episode definitely didn't disappoint. For me, it was easily the best episode in the series.
(now I just need to get my hands on the song that began playing the moment Shichika faced-off against Hannyamaru). |
2010-12-13, 15:33 | Link #2318 | |
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Though Nanami is indeed awesome. I'll miss her. Last edited by Janifuu; 2010-12-13 at 15:44. |
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2010-12-13, 16:13 | Link #2319 |
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I think I have understood what was the point behind Togame's cross-eye. The eye that gets crossed is the left one. The left side of the body is controlled by the right hemisphere of the brain. The right side of the body is controlled by the left hemisphere of the brain. The left hemisphere of the brain, as popularly understood, is connected to logic. The right hemisphere of the brain, instead, is connected to... emotions.
The day Togame first got the cross-eye was when Shichika's father killed her father. That day, Togame lost all emotions. Eventually, she was able to recover back to some sort of normality, but the damage couldn't be undone. Togame is able to switch on and off her emotions at will. I can't remember every frame in which there was the cross-eye, but I think she did it every time she need to focus on her logical side; possibly when she was greedy or when she was lying; in the last episode it was because she was deadly serious. That was the point of her VA reading the lines in monotone. Togame wasn't feeling anything (excluding, that is, the pain of the bullet wounds). I think Togame's last words have been misunderstood. It's not exactly like she admitted her love to Shichika; that would be discarding all the things she has said up to that moment. What she said was "You are the enemy of my father and I am going to kill you no matter what. It is against your best interest to stay by my side. Still, the fact you heard all this and still love me, honestly, it made me happy". What Togame did was admitting that if things went another way, she would have loved Shichika. This is the best she could say. Togame was regretting there could be no love story between her and Shichika. She had never truely loved him. She just deeply wanted to. She still wished to be loved by Shichika. However, as it is, their love is impossible. |
2010-12-13, 18:04 | Link #2320 | |
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