2011-02-01, 12:42 | Link #11761 |
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Yes, I mean it's not like the Korean war was approved by the UN in response to North Korea invading the south. Clearly a Soviet sponsored invasion that resulted in US troops there on occupation duty getting killed was a completely internal matter to the Koreas. Vietnam, can't really argue with. The US could have avoided the war and gotten the entire country in their camp if they had backed Ho Chi Ming when he approached the US for aid against France. Of course the US was never going to back him against France any more than the US was going to back Argentina against Britain in the Falklands war. But nothing else? Did you miss Iraq invading Kuwait in 1990? Or was that in internal affair too?
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2011-02-01, 15:43 | Link #11763 | |
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Apparently, this is the House GOP majority's idea of "job creation" and "budget responsibility" --- redefining rape so that women are basically toast:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...ape/index.html House Bill H.R. 3 redefines rape so that women basically have to die resisting, and apparently the authors have never heard of ectopic pregnancies as well. House Speaker Boehner supports this bill and named it a top priority ... which is a real blast of misogyny. Quote:
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2011-02-01, 16:51 | Link #11766 |
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The Republican position on abortion is pretty far removed from that of the general public. Though I can't seem to find figures on the "rape and incest" exclusion more recent than 2003 or so, about three out of four American adults support the right to abortion in those circumstances.
Overall anti-abortion attitudes have increased slightly in the past couple of years, but still only about one in five Americans would agree with the standard Gallup option of abortion being "illegal in all circumstances." That's why I wrote earlier that this effort is nothing but a sop to the most extreme elements in the Republican party. Of course, the voters with the more extreme attitudes are the ones most likely to vote for and donate to Republican candidates.
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2011-02-01, 17:02 | Link #11768 | |
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I just... I just cannot get into their thinking. I mean... How... Why... What...Ugh.
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2011-02-01, 17:25 | Link #11769 |
Gamilas Falls
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Abortion tends to be an absolutist topic. I've had to run it through political science courses several times. Rape was actually the only place there was even a chance of compromise, and that was grudgingly dependent on what those against abortion considered the worse evil. To the extreme the loss of any baby is a crime beyond all crimes. One that even not doing something about it will cause you damanation (or more accurately the belief that if the wife gets one even without her husbands knowledge, he too is doomed to eternal damnation as well as she is) I blame the Catholic Church first, then the line just get longer and longer as you add more too it.
Rape is considered a terrible crime, but to those opposing abortion, the crime of the mother (and father) does not transfer to the child, and thus they are unwilling to kill said child for something their parents did. (citing religious notions that every child is a gift from God usually) Or at least that's what I recall the argument being when we went round and round on this topic in high school. I've generally decided it is something the Federal government shouldn't have a say in.
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2011-02-01, 17:31 | Link #11770 | |
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You can't? It's quite simple, really.
Step 1) Flood congress with bullshit bills. Step 2) Senate or Obama kills the bills. Step 3) 2012 comes around, republicans claim democrats have 2/3rds of the law making process, and nothing got passed. Blame the lack of anything getting passed for the economy and unemployment rate. Quote:
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2011-02-01, 17:42 | Link #11771 | |
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But this idiot is proposing abortion after a rape be illegal with an exemption only for forcible rape, which is based on a highly misogynistic conception of rape. In other words, the only compromise he was willing to make actually made his position way more offensive. I'm actually kind of in awe of how he was able to pull that off.
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2011-02-01, 17:47 | Link #11772 | ||
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... that reminds me to plus rep someone (I hope it works, typically my rep spreading is not diverse enough) ^^' meh I knew it... SeijiSensei, sorry, maybe another time
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2011-02-01, 17:52 | Link #11774 |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...-arrested.html
This city's a perfect symbol of Brazil. God, I wanna leave this fucking place. |
2011-02-01, 17:55 | Link #11775 |
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My personal opinion, abortion should be left for actual victims of incest, or rape. Seeing as if they were without choice, they shouldn't be left to deal with some monsters offspring they would hate anyways. I know I would hate the kid, and I know I'd probably be so bitter if abortion was illegal altogether that I'd keep the kid, and make sure the kid knew I hated it every single day of their life.
Outside of that....sorry but if you are grown enough to make a kid, you should be grown enough to deal with your situation. Whether that means adoption or taking care of your kid. Why people think they are mature enough to have sex, and not deal with the always possible outcomes (an STD, or kid) is beyond me. |
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But rape? The pro-lifers' argument rests on the assumption that embryos and fetuses are full human beings. Well and good. But why would rape or incest change that? What about the actual children born of rape? Is it alright to kill them on a whim? Quote:
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2011-02-01, 18:17 | Link #11777 |
Gamilas Falls
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This is also why the issue has never be resolved. It is far more complex than any side wishes to admit.
As for the states rights issue...I was going to just say governement but as a blanket term could have been pushed onto any country as well...thus limting my option to the Fedral government since it appears to be too large with too many different types of people to come to a satisfatory conclusion for the given number of people, seeing how heated the topic becomes from past experiance. State level laws wouldn't be much better, but their constituant base is far smaller than at the Federal level. The complexity of the issue (with all the different things pointed out about doctors practices, women's health, and legality of what is a human child) make it diffiuclt to regulate. This also causes issues with other laws being broken in support for one side or the other causing politicians to make a stand in order to enforce other laws. Basically it is too complex for government to handle in the United States. In a sane world, the issue of abortion would be deturmined by the persons it effects. However we don't live in a sane world it seems..nor can people agree on who abortion effects.
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2011-02-01, 19:41 | Link #11779 |
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This one is for flying ^.
http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...tizens-buy-gun Also, with regard to the Bloombag probes into private gun sales, the Arizona Attorney General has a bit to say about it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/...rg_gun_control
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2011-02-02, 02:39 | Link #11780 |
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okay soo the MidWest got hit by a HUGE Blizzard, I recorded it
According to statistics, the largest Illinois snowfall on record occurred Jan. 30-31, 1982 when a St. Louis storm dumped 25 inches on the city of Greenville. Twenty-three inches of snow fell during the Chicago Blizzard of 1967, stranding thousands in the city and surrounding suburbs. More than 45,000 cars were abandoned while about 750 city buses were stuck on streets and expressways. |
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