2010-05-11, 18:42 | Link #924 |
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Newer better formats deserve to be adopted and advocates will always push to help those formats along (rightfully so). However, practical usage normally dictates the popular format. For instance, as a web developer I still favor 800px width for web page designs, not because it looks great on my 1360x768 monitor, but because 800x600 is still the dominant desktop resolution (I don't support IE6 however ). I'm not trying to make a case for Xvid, but I am surprised that the majority of DLs seem to go for the higher quality format. I'm curious what people's viewing habits are. Do most of you watch these strictly on your primary PC? Are you able to find ways to watch this format on multiple HD TVs in your home?
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2010-05-11, 18:48 | Link #925 | |
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Next thing you'll tell me that Blu-rays are larger than DVDs. Also, nevermind the fact that Xvid needs as much as 6 times the filesize as x264. And that's ignoring the effect of hardsubs, which can easily add 30% to the filesize. Now, if you're complaining that stupid fansubbers are using far more bitrate than they need to--that's not at all unreasonable, because they do; most SD anime needs at most ~50MB per episode. |
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2010-05-11, 19:16 | Link #926 | |
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I guess quality alone is not so odd. I was an early adopter of Blu-ray thanks to the PS3, which I was willing to pay $600 for, and there is a PS3 hooked up to the basement TV and a Blu-ray player hooked up to the living room TV. I did not question the need to upgrade hardware to enjoy HD video on disc, and yet apparently that is what's holding me back from enjoying downloaded anime in HD. Maybe everyone just has really nice computers. |
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2010-05-11, 19:18 | Link #927 |
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The desktop analogy isn't really valid because screens will continue to get bigger, but content will always have to be concentrated on smaller screen area out of informational concerns. People will use the extra screen space for other applications.
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2010-05-12, 03:39 | Link #929 |
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h264 got better video compression and at the same time lower file size output than xvid. and tthere that other features in h264 that are not present in the old xvid. if you have read about h264, you should at least get the idea why its becoming prominent choice when they encode video because of those features.
regard with the hardwares i play mkv/h264 with. i use my pc and a xbmc' htpc. its nice that xbmc is handling those mkvs with advance ass subtitle quiet well. |
2010-05-12, 04:21 | Link #930 |
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oh hey it's this thread AGAIN
here I'll tell you the real reason: we are all bribed by the MPEG-LA and are doing this to ensure that they can sue the entire world for patent infringement in 2015
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2011-02-16, 18:19 | Link #931 |
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Originally Posted by Dark Shikari
Now, if you're complaining that stupid fansubbers are using far more bitrate than they need to--that's not at all unreasonable, because they do; most SD anime needs at most ~50MB per episode. Well-I for one won't be watching your shitty looking 50 meg per 23-24 minute episodes. For me bit rate is king-the higher the better. Most of the encodes I do average at least 3 mb bits per second. My average size on a standard anime episode is at least 800 megs and often 1 gig.
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2011-02-16, 18:45 | Link #932 | ||
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You are spending your precious time you could use to live, on arguing how important it is your anime looks totally awesome supersharp crisp digital quality.
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2011-02-17, 05:59 | Link #933 | |
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2011-02-17, 06:19 | Link #934 | ||
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2011-04-04, 17:33 | Link #937 |
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Long time no see everyone. It's encouraging to see so many old faces still active in the scene. Congratulations on many years of service.
Some time in 2006, I pretty much left the world of fansubbing to return to my roots as a gamer. I sort of drifted around from game to game as any other gamer, but then SSF2T got a re-release in 2008 and I got into it in a big way, attending tournaments etc. Well long story short, the scene for it started to fade out with the release of SFIV, and I eventually got back into anime and started following currently airing series. Some things have changed in that time, and some haven't. I'm pleased to see that video quality is better in general, and that 720p is now the defacto standard (much to my frustration when I can only find DVD rips). On the other hand, I'm surprised to see people still releasing 480p and ASP versions, and for lack of a better word, enraged to see people still putting H.264 and AAC in AVI. I am most pleased to see many more original series compared to cookie cutter ecchi and harem that was rampant a few years back. The overall production quality appears to have risen too. What happened guys? I thought we educated the noobs and run out the trolls years ago? Despite my pushing the merits of MP4 and lolstandards, I'm glad to see MKV and softsubs as the dominant force. Even though I rarely turn them off, it's somewhat reassuring to know that the option is there, and more to the point that it hasn't altered the content of the video itself. But there's one thing that bugs me. Something I want to get off my chest. Perhaps it's because I've done very little HD encoding that I don't understand some of the problems faced (remember, you are talking to an ex-encoder who's knowledge only spans until 2006 or so). What's going on with filesizes these days? Now before you think, "hurr u mad", that's not the case. I have 50mbps down and 2 or 3TB HDD to spare. x264 has undergone some 1300 revisions since I was active, so I know the speed and compression are far better than they were back then. At such times, 720p would average 200-250MB if memory serves correctly. That's 5 years ago. The average size these days is probably 300-400MB. What's changed? I appreciate that over time, people will have thought, "You know, crf18 doesn't cut it anymore, let's try crf17, or crf16" etc, but given the amount of work that has gone into x264, I'd have thought that the compression gains would have somewhat offset the filesize gains from using a more favourable crf. TS sources have become more widely available, but the quality of that source, I expect has stayed much the same (standards, hardware encoders etc, maybe quarkboy can shed some light on this since he's on the inside now - congrats on that). One thing I noticed is that the crf I'm used to seem to have changed. Could it be that people still use the same crf values but the adjustments in x264 are producing larger files for a given crf? Or is it that new breed of encoders not know how to get the most out of x264? Are they too idle to spend time encoding and decide to go with weaker settings in order to release before others? Or are they using weak settings to artificially bloat the file to lure leechers into downloading their bigger files assuming they are better quality? Yes it takes me two or three minutes to download a fansub and it really shouldn't bother me as much as it does, just the encoder in me rages every time I see a file that was encoded with anything less than optimal settings. I'll leave you with this little gem (I realise that this is not representative of the average encode, but this made me chuckle and rage at the same time). [HiNA-Wasurenai] Hen Zemi OAD - 01 [DVD H264 720x480 AAC] [4D6E7992].mkv Code:
cabac=1 / ref=6 / deblock=1:1:1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.40:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=16 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=4 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=1 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=17.0 / qcomp=1.00 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.60 @TheFluff I'm not sure how much involved your are with the Madoka streams/subs, but thank you so much. Absolutely love this series.
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2011-04-04, 18:59 | Link #938 | |
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If you think that's bad it makes me wonder if you've seen this thread , even if it's a few years old. What I really wonder is what's the concencus on mbtree?I see some releases that use it,others that don't,some groups will even switch back and forth and it really does seem to impact the file size.
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2011-04-04, 19:20 | Link #939 |
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What seems really stupid dto me is taking a dvd source and encoding it at 5.1 with 16 reference frames. At most you need 4 ref frames. I did a 1 gig encode of an old vhs feature that was 55 minutes in length at 4.1 with 4 ref frames with the ac3 audio from the vhs to dvd transfer that I did myself. The originial transfer was 4 gigs at about 9 megs per second. It came out excellent.
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2011-04-05, 03:00 | Link #940 | |
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