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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-11-12, 12:00 | Link #3321 | |||||||
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Ranka would have been more lovable if her characterization did not result in such bad sport with an intense case of oral diarrhea.
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And what did Alto learn in both universes about little queen? Not very much. That is despite Ranka spewing forth her story over and over and over again every single time she had a conversation with Alto. Alto actually learned more about Ranka from the NUNS than he ever did from her. Quote:
Right, because I am going to put a gun at Sheryl so that she would share her story with me. Quote:
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2011-11-12, 12:31 | Link #3322 |
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On the subject of Sheryl and Alto clicking, my interpretation of it is that they do in their own way. It's true they argue and sometimes bicker, but they have tender moments too. Early on they really had to get used to one another, and they change throughout, partially as a result of those arguments I think. Their arguments prompt them to think deep down and realize what they want and what they want to be. Just as Alto was right to call Sheryl out on not wanting to sing, it ultimately helped her to do better. Sure, sometimes they infuriate each other, but the source of it seemed less to do with "I don't want you to be that way" and more like suggesting "YOU don't even want you to be that way." They knew each other's character and they knew when the other was being out of character.
And together they had some really tender moments, too. They didn't always argue, and when they did it was more often because they cared, though obviously they didn't click right off the bat. With Ranka though, I dunno, she's easy to click with, she's just adorable and nice. Sheryl might take some getting used to because she's very... forward. |
2011-11-12, 12:42 | Link #3324 |
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^Heck, Alto and Sheryl's arguments are waay milder compared to a few big lover spats I've seen. Besides, a healthy fight is good for any relationship. Just ask Beto.
I still don't know why we have to go over the (resolved) triangle, the dead horse is...dead. Oh btw, anyone catch when (or if) F Refrain plays in the movie? I might have missed it but I can't really seem to catch it (if it was played..).
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2011-11-12, 12:48 | Link #3327 | |
old school actually.
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As far as I can recall, it wasn't. Hum, but I've got to check the movie again. |
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2011-11-12, 12:55 | Link #3328 | |
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No, you can't. You can always try to replicate their findings, tho. That's where the fun is...
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2011-11-12, 14:08 | Link #3329 | |||
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There's little else that you can glean out of the first few minutes of meeting someone, unless they have their curriculum vitae tattooed to their forehead. If you want to find out something more meaningful, you need to find the occasion to actually get to know the person better. "Chemistry" is simply one of many incentives to do so. |
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2011-11-12, 14:51 | Link #3330 | |
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My personal belief if that you actually learn MORE if you argue with someone since the feelings come across that much stronger. It doesn't matter what its about, true feelings show when arguing. (albeit its not always pretty) |
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2011-11-12, 16:13 | Link #3331 | ||
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The soundtrack also helps for the setting. One has passion, Alto flirts and agrees with Sheryl about her remark about a woman as great as she is. The other... it looks like a heartbreak. I really, really felt bad for Ranka. Quote:
She's his best friend.
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2011-11-12, 16:39 | Link #3333 | |||||||
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Besides, Kawamori did state that it was a rewrite of the series storyline, not their pasts; so we are left to realize their pasts are pretty much the same. Quote:
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With Ranka, he met her; they clicked right off the bat. Ranka may have talked him to death but her good first impression was inviting him into her life by saying "come by Nyan-Nyan sometime and I'll repay you" hence giving him a "come see me again" line. This was a welcome mat. Sheryl's was not. So it took him a long time to warm up to Sheryl. And actually, until I read the light novel for myself, I don't believe Sheryl and Alto ever got intimate. I don't see any physical proof. A kiss, touching, maybe; but I doubt he'd be stupid enough to have sex with her and possibly get the virus himself. I don't think Alto is that stupid. Quote:
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He ist staring at her face, not her boobs; and he don't even look happy she's there either. Her exact words: "I heard from Onii-chan that the S.M.S. is taking a vacation on Mayan island. I was hoping we could meet..." And, a few clips later, Alto is waiting for her. Ranka: Wait long? Alto: Not really. If you really look at Alto and Ranka's first words here, you already know that this is an implied date. Whether either party takes it that way is up to them. But their actions at the beginning here are boyfriend waiting on girlfriend, she arrives, apologizes for being late, and they head out. Plus, to knock it out of the park, they spend the entire day doing things that couples normally do. I'm surmised to say that seeing Alto and Ranka eating snow cones was a big smile for me. It has a similar effect (though opposite in my case) of watching Alto and Sheryl with the hot dogs in movie 1. Quote:
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Now, take, for example, my father's parents. They married when they were young (grandmother = 18, grandfather = 23). My grandmother died when she turned 78, my grandfather's still kicking; they'd been married that long. But they had arguments and disagreements like no other, ones that even affected how their kids saw them, but that's the same type of love that Alto and Sheryl have (arguing over stupid things like dishes). But he eventually decided to treat her like trash because he felt she was doing so to him. And, in the end, he became conceited, forced all the responsibilities onto her, and she died because she couldn't take anymore of the pressure. Because of how they acted around their kids, my father refuses to see eye-to-eye with him, nor does a lot of the kids in his family. Take into account that their arguments, in the beginning were like Alto and Sheryl's. Now this arguing they're doing now... it's only gonna grow. I'm sure you don't want to see them repeat my grandparents now, do you? If Alto is to be with Sheryl, they have to do some serious molding, otherwise, I can already tell there will be some issues when they hit financial problems (and everyone does sooner or later even the richest people).
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2011-11-12, 16:50 | Link #3334 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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If Ranka had an inkling of special attachment the way Alto considered Sheryl, he would have accepted Ranka's confession. The fact is that he did not, despite thinking Sheryl had died speaks volumes of his true feelings toward the poor girl. Thats all there is to it.
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Certainly. No argument about that, at least in the movie-verse. I hold reservations about it from the TV series, however. - Tak
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2011-11-12, 17:11 | Link #3335 | |
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In any case I believe arguments aren't going to be a problem with Sheryl and Alto due to the infrequent of them and the fact they never argued about the same thing twice or more (which I've seen ruins things quickly). I believe they will mold and adapt rather quickly to another cuz that's what you do. |
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2011-11-12, 17:24 | Link #3336 |
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Alto and Sheryl had plenty of chemistry. Just take a look at episode five of the TV series. Alto may have been dragged into that outting to start with, but Sheryl's enthusiasm proves infectious and pretty soon he's taking the initiative to show her Island Three. He didn't go there for Ranka. Her train was at a different station and there wasn't anything saying where it was going. He was generally quite happy to simply hang around while Sheryl did stuff on Island Three (the exception being when he was leading her somewhere and she kept getting distracted -in an area where it would have been easy to loose track of her).
They also seemed to be able to talk to each other quite naturally while conversing in Episodes Six and Nine. Granted they don't open up to each other entirely (Sheryl's childhood on Galaxy is a difficult subject) but they seem to open up to each other more than they do for just about anyone else. They seem to understand each other decently well and have a lot in common too. Now things play out a bit differently in the movie, but they hit it off pretty well there as well. I'd go as far as to say that Alto is smitten with Sheryl by the end of the movie version of the outting that took them to Island Three. |
2011-11-12, 17:56 | Link #3337 | ||
old school actually.
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They were teasing each other and bickering. Simple as that. You can't use this as a vsRankatreatment argument, because Ranka did not annoy Alto like Sheryl did. Quote:
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2011-11-12, 18:00 | Link #3338 | |||||||
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That doesn't take away the fact that they did have tons of chemistry and LMK is just trying to apply her personal experience in here, even when her personal experience is in the minorities; everyone has pointed it out we enjoy the usual fight with our loved one and, we enjoy even more what follows it. The same goes in most works of fiction because people know this to be true; a couple that never fights is going to explode sooner or later. Quote:
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2011-11-12, 18:17 | Link #3339 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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2011-11-12, 18:23 | Link #3340 | |
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Apparently, not only Nakamura and Endo, but all the other voice actors, and even the staff, were ALL moaning and sighing. So unless you think Alto and Sheryl were having a big ol' orgy, you can't use it as evidence for anything.
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