2011-12-03, 10:52 | Link #1242 | |
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It's easy enough to make up an explanation of why this must be the best possible way of building a ship like that, but why waste resources on constructing a flying death trap to begin with? |
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2011-12-03, 11:04 | Link #1246 |
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Frankly we know NOTHING about the conceits that were behind how the ships of the Ades Federation was designed, except that they were not designed against attacks via Vanship. Heck, in the previous series, the concept of using Vanships to attack battleships was a new concept, and it's easy to think that the people of Ades are still in the 'big ship' mentality, kind of how navy commanders in the real world saw warfare prior to the Battle of Midway.
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2011-12-03, 11:53 | Link #1247 | |
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What's this? Russian language in Last Exile? And the ED sang in Russian too!?
Thank you Animax for understanding and subbing the ED! Anyway, that was a magnificent battle. Those Rocket Vanships from Glacies were damm amazing and overkill! Their Vanships are Jets with Cannons! And they're all Russians!(Actually Japanese VAs speaking Russian but at least one of VA's is an actually Russian.) Quote:
Lolis? I saw no Lolis, I saw beautiful women pilots speaking Russian.
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2011-12-03, 12:40 | Link #1248 | |
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They are neither child-like nor are they younger than 14 (most likely). They look to be near Tatiana's or even Lavie's age from the previous series which means they're 15-17. |
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2011-12-03, 13:35 | Link #1249 | |||||
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That music when the First Fleet trap hits. I love how "heavy" and all "second half of the first Last Exile" and "professional" it got within seconds once Tatiana completely took center stage with the Silvius, that was so totally like how I felt every time Alex took the front conducting his equally masterful battles. Tatiana did him proud here. The water move at the end was great too. Don't make Tatiana smile. Loved the speech, and oh man when "Fleet of Little Ships" starts playing I was so into it and then into the "Silvana" part, sooo good. This episode was gripping from start to finish, it was like one big payoff of 25 minutes of greatness. This was the heavy professional edge that the first show showed at times like this during the climaxes that the critics were waiting for, I hope they're pleased, most of us knew it was coming cause you could see the hints if you were really paying attention IMO. And the totally new touch with Glacias really getting into this and their pilots and rocket-style vanships and military style. Damn those were cool, both the outside looked badass and the image of them taking off like rockets was sweet, and the cockpit and digital displays were freaking cool looking. Visually they were stunning in every way. I loved how their pilots came off and the Russian was an awesome touch to add to the scale of the world. As always when displaying new things and the battle escalates and tactics (and politics with Ades/Silvius/Glacias), the LE setting is too freaking cool. I really liked how for a moment when things got to the "pro level" Fam and the others were pushed to the side at first, it really drove things home even if it was only momentarily, and I liked how Fam wanted to take responsibility for screwing up but how she didn't get to go out until later. Agreed with you and TheKage, how the heck were they lolis... Quote:
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Yeah it does, agreed. Personally I'm with you on the temporary part, I think something's going to happen to push Gisey back into this, she's still one of the leads. I really liked how Fam wanted to take responsibility for her screwup as all too often the headstrong type doesn't, and it felt right seeing her pushed aside at first as the real pros took over in the crunch, as you mentioned I liked how arguably the Silvius would have gotten out anyway and it felt good having her contribution on the periphery, loved the seeds planted for better relations with Glacias through their little act of heroism. Quote:
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That was really neat, I loved the even further international/global feel it added and I love how inspired their choices are with this totally new style of Glacies as you mention, they could have made them exactly like what's come before but again just like with the differences between Anatoray and Disith they've once again created a whole new design style. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2011-12-03 at 13:57. |
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2011-12-03, 13:37 | Link #1250 |
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Pure battleships do seem rather vulnerable to fighters; properly armed vanships from the Sylvius were able to quite easily sink enemy ships with torpedoes. However, the Ades designers aren't stupid or incompetent, they simply haven't gotten used to such novel concepts of warfare. The tech developed to fight the Gracies rocket ships (last episode) may be one way they're going to adapt their tactics; we'll see if this nagging point gets resolved in further episodes.
I'm still calling bullshit on Fam's kill, though. Nothing much but plot armor. Why couldn't the Sylvius used a vanship with a torpedo instead of relying on a freelancer armed with an inferior weapon? Worst of all, the crew were cheering the deed as if it were some accomplishment that they couldn't have done themselves. That makes everyone, from the enemy to the Sylvius crew, appear utterly incompetent just to make Fam appear better, which is really quite poor writing. |
2011-12-03, 14:04 | Link #1251 | |
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But yeah, Ades' ships aren't well-suited to countering close-in vanship attacks. It remains to be seen how effective the massed guns trialled by Ōrang's fleet last episode will perform against the rocket-fighters. That aside, I really enjoyed the international feel that resulted from having Glacies' pilots speaking Russian (sort of). Like DangerMouse said, it really adds to the scale of the world. |
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2011-12-03, 14:23 | Link #1252 | ||||
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first addressing some concerns
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And the death star... in the context of the timeline they might not know what the heck it is. Quote:
The gun is a combination flare/canister/typewriter thing- which is by the way ingenious, and even a mere RL flaregun can be fitted with ammo/things that can allow it to shoot real bullet. They have been building and losing ships in that manner for years, do you think that a loss of a fleet flagship would make them stop? heck the next thing that they would do is address the problem, create a solution and then we end up with the "no vent weakness" that is going to be harder to take out- if EP7 is enough of an indicator that the Federation is striving to improve on their ships. Quote:
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I mean, who in their right mind would watch this just for the Voice Casts and Doujin Potential? People that have watched the first season are expecting the steampunk epic that is the original Last Exile. As of now the current story is somehow shaping up to it, but with twists, dips (Fam, this means YOU) and even sometimes topping off the first. With that sorted out, i must do Part 2 of the Ship by Ship Analysis and my comments and assessment of Ep8 later. |
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2011-12-03, 14:47 | Link #1253 | |
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I don't have an issue with them getting some cheers, during the battle it wasn't portrayed as ultra important to the Silvius' survival, and they credit her for capturing the ship not saving them, and unlike a bigger Anatoray vanship fighter Fam's vespa is probably one of the few ships that could get that crazy close and get to that perfect angle to get passed the armor extended around the area to use that. They've been caught at the changing of the guard of aerial combat that tiny spot would likely be pretty safe in old-fashioned battleship combat and will probably now be addressed like their weapons. They are in the midst of progressing to develop countermeasures. It's also why they seemingly have no illusions of being ready to take on Glacias and retreat immediately rather than pick a fight with them. And, the people who pull it off still get the cheers even if everyone else could do it (plus those cheers are soundly balanced by the heavy atmosphere of juxtaposing it with Giselle's frustrations). And Fam certainly didn't come off better than the Silvvius in combat where it was shooting down ships and outclassing Ades ships as expected with her speed (and once again an awesome sound officer), nor did she come off as better than the Silvius fighter team that sunk several battleships not just damaged one. And Saint X and pewpewpew did a much better job addressing it too. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2011-12-03 at 14:59. |
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2011-12-03, 15:01 | Link #1254 | |
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(Couldn't resist.) Yeah, it does seem kind of contrived, though. I'm sure you can try to rationalize why the warship is so easy to take down, but it still leaves a sour taste. |
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2011-12-03, 15:16 | Link #1257 | |
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Un/fortunately for the Anshar, the shot's effect was similar to that of a radiator leak, in this case, a sudden loss of fuel that the thing they can only do at the moment is abandon ship, if it were a RL ship the fuel loss would have been nothing more than a quick trip to the drydock for patching. Also, the whole fleet was so focused on the Silvius that did not notice the single vespa that was loitering around. Also... Only in Last Exile do you see WW2 Submarine Warfare being practiced... IN THE SKY! Also... Ades Destroyers need to play Navyfield to learn how to spread torps effectively. Last edited by Saint X; 2011-12-03 at 15:35. |
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2011-12-03, 15:26 | Link #1258 |
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This keeps getting better. The thing with Giselle is partially that she's never actually pulled off that shot before, whereas Millia hit it on the first try.
I've got a bad feeling about the Sky Pirates. I wouldn't be surprised if Fam goes back home, but when she gets there Ades has gone through and torn stuff up. Tatiana not turning over Milia makes sense, too, b/c Milia might be one of the keys (like her older sister). The Glacias (sp?) are interesting b/c they have such high technology. First non-Guild ships with computers I think. Dio was right, btw: Fam's drawing of the Silvius was how it actually was, lol. All those hidden guns popping out everywhere. |
2011-12-03, 16:34 | Link #1259 |
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Haha yeah Dio's comment and the drawing from back then
Like Millia with her lucky shot since they were so close I think Gisey would have pulled off the shot too in her attempt since she's probably a good shot having to shoot those canisters all the time, except that her target was the more prepared Silvius since vanships are such a large part of their strategy. Yeah, Glacias is really impressive. "Also... Only in Last Exile do you see WW2 Submarine Warfare being practiced... IN THE SKY!" Yeah, man do I love the unique ship/fleet battles and maneuvering of fleets (and fighters) etc. that's Last Exile's combat. |
2011-12-03, 16:46 | Link #1260 |
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Gisey's crying is heartbreaking I must say.
Gisey's mentioned never getting the Claudia-engine take-down shot right, even during training. I'm really interested in what Glacies will bring to the show and plot. We'll see more of Viola and her pilot (I didn't quite catch her name). I wonder why 03's pilot wasn't sure if Fam and Millia were really helping or not. Maybe that was a tl-difficulty but it seemed like she was denying anything about their help. It was great to see what were the secret awesome weapons hidden inside the Silvius that Dio mentioned were there. |
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