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2011-12-20, 17:01 | Link #1262 | |
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(as in get to THE truth, not just a personal string of theories that explains it) Is pretty dang near impossible (or I may just be really dense) even if the clues are technically there. So for all we know, Our Confession may play the role of this story's 'detective's reveal'. Though the only thing I can deduce from Rokkenjima's events is that Yasu didn't kill anyone, went with Battler but drowned herself and Eva ran for Kuwadorian. Then everything went boom. Can't really see anything else. If I have to guess, I'd say that something like the EP7's sibling fight happened but, say, the cousins where there too, and Eva calmed her head and did the logical thing and ran for Kuwadorian since she wouldn't have the hope of George's survival to make her stick around. Let's say they saw no reason to kill Yasu since she didn't seem like she'd do anything anyways, so she survived too and got Battler and ran for the boat. But there's not enough there to come to any set-in-stone chain of events. Last edited by CrimsonMoonMist; 2011-12-20 at 17:11. |
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2011-12-20, 17:18 | Link #1263 | |
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2011-12-20, 17:29 | Link #1264 | |
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though there is still that certain wish to see that 'one truth'. Ange didn't need it because past is past, we mystery fans just want it because we got into it thinking we could find that ending if we searched hard enough. Again, I'm actually fine with things as they are, but I can understand the lingering regret people may find with it. Fantasy.. That all of our precious friends from Rokkenjima is spending their days happily waiting for Ange inside the Catbox that will never be disturbed with ill tales of tragedy again, from the mystery standpoint we'd just want to know how they all died once and for all. But as I read through Umineko, I began to think this pleasant fantasy isn't all that bad either. Last edited by CrimsonMoonMist; 2011-12-20 at 17:43. |
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2011-12-20, 17:42 | Link #1265 | |
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2011-12-20, 18:09 | Link #1266 | |
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Honestly, Battler's parents do seem to be the murderers, I would say they are. However, wrong or right, I still want the truth. I will tell you what, you can read your books halfway through and imagine the ending, I want the ending, I want the solution. I don't care for Ryukishi's closed catbox, that's where our opinions will differ.
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2011-12-20, 18:13 | Link #1267 | |
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It's confirmed in EP8 that Battler was good in mystery novels and such. He was also capable of solving the epitapt as what we see in EP5. So with that information i think it's possible to deduce what happened on those two days. Things that i think possible are: * Battler and Eva solved the Epitapt. * Battler thought of a plan to solve everyone's problem ..Nah .... I'll just stop this nonsense. |
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2011-12-20, 18:47 | Link #1268 | |
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Personally, I think the culprit is either George or Battler. Everything is MOST ELEGANT with either of those two.
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2011-12-20, 19:23 | Link #1269 | |
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@Smeckledorf: That's fine I actually thought I was going to feel the same way as you do once I first realized it wasn't coming. But I guess I got swept by Ange's line of thought, especially after finding there could be a happy ending without needing to know the real hard truth. Either way, you're free to feel as you like. I don't think the author went back on his word. I really think he was commending the readers on several theories simply by mentioning them one by one. (Eva culprit, Battler's family culprit, even mentioned a George + family culprit) By the fact that he admitted in the writing that these were all possible and none could be denied, he acknowledged each as a solution. |
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2011-12-20, 19:28 | Link #1270 | |
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Oops.
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2011-12-20, 19:46 | Link #1271 |
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Actually, its quite the opposite. The assumption that the characters we saw in all the episodes weren't complete interpretations of themselves brings the point of view that in R- Prime the family was alot more fun and loving than the stories let on. Not that the information wasn't reliable, it wasn't complete.
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2011-12-20, 20:50 | Link #1273 | |
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Anyway if you think there was no lie, you might want to revise the order of events. That scene starts with a panel saying "the third day" and when Battler goes out it's daylight. Since the explosion happened at midnight, then everything that was shown happened at least six hours after explosion.
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2011-12-20, 22:15 | Link #1279 |
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I think its perfectly viable that any of the four familys could have done it, or done by an accident, but they never show exactly which family does it... The "clue" I think stands out is how the fans/goats wanted a tragedy, but the One Truth was kept hidden because it wasn't interesting enough
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2011-12-20, 22:20 | Link #1280 |
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Where's the contradiction? Parents can be one way in front of their children and another way around somebody else. I mean, Battler did have a point when he asked Ange if their parents would ever act like that in front of them.
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