2012-01-24, 13:18 | Link #6301 | ||
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What is wrong with that decision?
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Those cases are stupid anyway. At least the ones involving boys. For a 14 year old boy, "scoring" like that is awesome. It's what all 14 yo boys dream of. I think judges who punish such relationships either can't remember the time they were young and horny, or they are just jealous. Quote:
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2012-01-24, 13:37 | Link #6302 | ||
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2012-01-24, 13:49 | Link #6305 |
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It is still not sexism if the right is about sex in the first place.
An affaire like that has different potential impact on a girl (she can get pregnant!) than on a boy. So you have to treat them differently. Sexism would be to apply the attribute of someones sex on something it has nothing to do with. |
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2012-01-24, 15:56 | Link #6308 | |
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I never wrote any of that, where did you read that? I am a man and I do remember what hormones do to boys of that age, so I can say they are indeed "horny" at all times. I am not a woman however, so I can't just make something up. But nice you still lay those words into my mouth anyway. See that is the problem, when you call someone sexist in a discussion about sex. The example about pregnancy shall show you that there is indeed an inherent difference between sexes and not ignoring that difference in a sexual related discussion is not sexist. I would explain to you how unwanted pregnancy is in fact a not so uncommon problem with teenage girls of young age, but you will just twist my words around anyway... |
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And since you and your friends were "horny at all times" we should base our general laws on that? The level of horniness is not inherent in one's gender. What does that have to do with anything? Underage fatherhood is not a problem? |
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2012-01-24, 17:08 | Link #6310 |
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Those were 4 strawman arguments in a row.
I told you, I won't bother discussing with you, if you can't keep to what I write. Hint: If you have to begin every paragraph with restating what I wrote, but "slightly" altered and with "interesting" bits added, it may be because you don't actually want to reply to what I wrote, but instead to what you want it to be. |
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If that is not a prime example of sexism, then what is? Even if I let go of the implications concerning girls, giving you the benefit of the doubt. |
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2012-01-24, 17:29 | Link #6312 |
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Well then the proper question would be," do 14 year old girls dream of "scoring" with their teachers?"
Because the statement that 14 year old boys would want to "score" with the young female teachers in generally considered true.
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2012-01-24, 17:33 | Link #6313 |
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I'd say the proper question is "are their dreams all that relevant?". They're minor. Society's supposed to protect them from their dreams if need be. That's why we have age of consent laws. And if there aren't laws against letting kids dress in tights and hang around in dark alleys to pick fights with armed criminals, there damn well should be.
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2012-01-24, 17:45 | Link #6314 | |
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"Is dreaming about banging a hot teacher inherent in one's gender?" The answer is: "no" That's why I'd say that the questions "do 14 year old girls dream of "scoring" with their teachers?" and "do 14 year old boys dream of "scoring" with their teachers?" are totally irrelevant to the question at hand: "should we allow sex between 14 year old students and their teachers?", because it is not related to gender. Unless you want to make different laws for different genders, because you think that "dreaming about sex with your teacher" is a gender inherent character trait - for what I'd call you a sexist. That is even though I tend to agree with the statement that boys are probably more open to such relationships on average. But we still allow women to become police officers even though only extreme feminists argue that women are weaker on average. That is the point of emancipation: judging based on the individuals instead of the gender. The argument about pregnancy is better, but it wasn't mentioned until after my "sexism" post. |
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2012-01-24, 18:04 | Link #6315 |
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...155450010.html
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2012-01-24, 18:13 | Link #6316 |
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Is it sexist if one is stating a fact for one gender if one cannot know if said fact is true for the other gender?
If one does not know if all 14 year olds behave the same, than one would specify based on a known. In this case, a male would know how a male would react in the situation, but would not know if a female would react in that same situation. Thus one cannot in good conscience throw a blanket statement over both genders. Especially when it might deal with something that can be completely different...as male and female hormones are different and can have different effects on the bodies of their respective genders. However the original statement said nothing about treating men and women differently, nor shaping laws. It was stating a fact about 14 year old boys. The statement of the judgment might be questioned reguarding the rememberance or jealously of the judge, but not the earlier statement, which seems to be the one focused on.
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But putting aside the gender discussion: these cases were about consensual sex, which usually implies horniness of both male and female students. Basing arguments for or against outlawing consensual sex with minors based on whether or not they are horny seems pointless to me in the first place. Cases in which the student is not horny are called rape and are a whole different thing altogether. |
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I mean, why not age and skin tone? Or age and nationality? Or just age? Or drop age altogether, and base it all on hair color? The hormone argument means it's not completely loony, but it's still something you'd want to be prudent with. I doubt it's the only factor. |
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2012-01-25, 08:51 | Link #6319 |
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